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1877 Seated Liberty Dime ... Grade, And Proof Or Business Strike

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I just got this one in today, and its a bear to photograph. To look at the coin, its basically an overall gun metal grey color. It photographs well if you get the lighting at just the right angle. Without taking the picture that way, odds are I wouldn't have bought it.

It may be a proof I suppose, but I really don't know. It came from an old estate collection and had been stored for decades in a small paper envelope which was inside a second envelope that is rather like waxed paper, but not waxy. I don't know what that kind of paper is called, but violin strings were packaged in the same kind of paper in the 1920s. Without a doubt, the coin is totally original and unmolested. While its not a rare date, almost all of the seated stuff out there has been mucked with in some way. Hard to imagine any coin surviving 140 years without falling into the wrong hands. I may dip a Mercury dime, but not this puppy....no way.

I can take some shots of it straight on without the reflective fields lit if it would help in determining (Pr or BS)to see its natural color.

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 Posted 01/19/2018  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not a proof...MS-63 based on new pics

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Here are the lackluster pics w/o the reflective fields lit ... same lighting, different angle.

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I thought it a business strike as well on first examination. I have an 1862 enroute (from the same collection)that's equally uncirculated, but not as well struck as this one, which does show some weakness toward the top of the wreath. That one ear of corn has no kernels at all.

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With limited expertise in this series ... I suggest MS 63/64 ... not proof strike.

Lovely coin indeed.
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My first thought was business strike and it's a very well struck piece. Despite the cut through the breast it should make Choice Mint State.
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Yeah, that's an unfortunate hit, but its able to get lost in the details. It could be in much more visible areas. The fields are really clean on this coin. The splotchy toning makes the surfaces look rough, but they're not. The 1862 isn't as well struck, but is far more scarce. I'll post some pics when it gets here and see what you all think of it. I got it for a song....and I can't sing worth a hoot.

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I am still with the PROOF crowd.

My reason why? Believe the die marker - the upper seriff is missing of the first "S" in States is missing.

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That rim looks awfully sharp. Have you checked proof diagnostics?
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It does have doubling on the M and E of "DIME" ... I'll look at the wreath if its not visible in the pics posted. I didn't know where to find the diagnostics ... which is why I was asking.

Reverse is definitely the proof die. Likely the 1862 will be a proof as well....but we'll have to wait and see.

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GREAT info MeadowviewCollector!
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Whichever format, I'll say 64.
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Definitely could be a proof. with coinfrog, 64 either way.
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I got the 1862 this morning...more on that in a separate thread.

The envelopes that these coins were stored in are as fun as the coins themselves. How far back do you suppose one would have to go for this 1877 dime to be priced at 20 dollars?

The 1862 was purchased for 15 dollars.

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Chancellor, were do you buy from? Only place I see for old coins is ebay or Etsy for the big sites. Dont know many small sites?
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