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Roman Republican Die

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 Posted 01/26/2018  3:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good afternoon,

I want to show this piece, that wil be auctioned in Catawiki (Roman Stamps) 02/02/2018.

- Material: Bronze, uncleaned.
- Weight: 15,85 g.
- Size: 22 x 6 mm

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 Posted 01/26/2018  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That certainly is an interesting item. Do you have any idea of expected auction result?.
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 Posted 01/26/2018  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Honestly I have no idea how much I will get at auction.
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 Posted 01/26/2018  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no reserve price for this piece.
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 Posted 01/26/2018  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this is a real die from Roman Republic time I would suspect a very high auction price. I would be more inclined to believe this is a medieval copy of an original die. Be interesting to see what it sells for.
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 Posted 01/26/2018  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DenverPio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on my work in Classical and Medieval (i.e. Byzantine) Roman numismatics, it looks more like a seal or some sort of signet. The lack of lettering/inscription is also curious.

As far as I know, archaeologists have recovered hardly any dies--possibly none. With constant use, it seems they would have broken down fairly quickly.

As echizento suggested, it may be a medieval/Renaissance copy. Interesting!
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 Posted 01/26/2018  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your comments. In the photos it's not appreciated, but It seems that There was something written behind the head (time has erased almost everything).
The expert auctioneer has accepted the piece as Román.
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 Posted 01/27/2018  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die is just a die, whether it's making seals, coin weights, sigilla, tokens, medals, or coins. It may be very well be an authentic Roman die, but that does not mean it was used to strike coins. It would be quite enlightening to see a XRF or similar analysis of the composition of the die metal; and if possible, to compare it to alloys known to have been used for die-making in the various eras of Roman coinage. From what little I can remember, the Romans tended to use hinged dies or collared inset dies.

It looks more like a seal press to me. At 15.85g it would seem to scarcely be heavy enough to strike metal blanks, even gold, for a substantial length of time given the force being imparted upon it by the hard swing of a stout hammer.
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 Posted 01/27/2018  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it is possible that this piece was set in a hammer, the Edge have visible signs of violent hits.
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 Posted 01/27/2018  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It will be quite interesting to see the bids! I would love to own it but doubtless cannot begin to afford it; but perhaps the auction will draw out some experts who might be able to shed further light.
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 Posted 01/28/2018  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 02/09/2018  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tomorrow ends the auction
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 Posted 02/09/2018  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ara you perhaps a seller named aureo-gdr ? albert
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 Posted 02/09/2018  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aureo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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