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Sassanian Tabaristan 1/2 Drachm?help

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New pick up I think this is echizento's field of expertise..

Seller had it as a Sassanian Tabaristan governor Khurshid 1/2 drachm 752 AD

It seems to have nice detail..

Don't know much about these coins but like them. Can someone help with attribution or tell me of a good reference site? And of course any thoughts?

Thanks Paul

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I agree with @irbguy tha Beast Coins has a pretty decent website for these:

http://goccf.com/t/255602

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 Posted 01/26/2018  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent pickup. I'm not that up on the Tabaristan type.
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I think I found it....

@Spence thanks for the response but I had already checked out beast coins.A really good source of reference but the Tabaristan types don't seem to be covered much ,unless I'm looking in the wrong place?

½ Drachm - "Ispahbadh of Tabaristan" Khurshid with Farrukhan the Little - 740-760 AD

Seems as if it's quite a rare coin[: for 19$

Off to do some research but if anyone can give me more leads really appreciated..

Paul
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Wow, $19 you got a fantastic deal. Wish I could find some of the deals a lot of you folks have been finding.

I'm reading a book right now titled "Empires of the Silk Road" a history of Central Eurasia from the Bronze age to the Present, by Christopher I. Beckwith. And excellent study on all the empires that occupied Eurasaia.
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Nice pickup, Paul, and at a great price. Have you checked out Tom Mallon's page devoted to these?: http://grifterrec.org/coins/islam/a...aristan.html
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½ Drachm - "Ispahbadh of Tabaristan" Khurshid - 740-760 AD (Tabaristan mint 752/3 AD )

Obverse-Bust right,crescent in right field, breast ornament with 4 pellets.Pellet above crown to right, Name in Pahlavi.
Reverse- Fire altar with 2 attendants; star left and crescent right of flames.

Resources from Beast coins and Tom Mallon's http://grifterrec.org/coins/islam/a...aristan.html
@Bobl thanks for this link I hadn't seen it before and really helped.

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It's great to see the full attribution and description of the devices and inscriptions. Thanks for following up with us! It's a great pick-up.
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Here is the Sassanian coin I picked up today.

I like to bold and simple design on this coin.

I note that there are differences in the script on the coin that I have acquired to that of the coin previously shown in this post. This is particularly true on the obverse on the coin.

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@SW I believe your coin is Khalid 766-771 AD.

@Paul, having recently bought my first Tabaristan coin I have enjoyed re-reading this thread.
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@Squire Your coin is actually of Khalid's successor, 'Umar (b. al-'Ala), type with name in Pahlavi, dated PYE 120. Walker Arab-Sasanian 261 (see capture below); SICA-1, 399; Album 55. While the op coin was issued under the pre-Islamic Dabwayid Ispabads, your coin is from a slightly later period when Tabristan was overseen by governors of the 'Abbasid Caliphate.
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Thanks a lot kushanshah and echizento

Sometimes it is fun just looking through the "Ancient World Coin Album" at the local Coin Shoppe.

In that way one may on occasion be tempted away from the strict theme of what one is collecting. I find that refreshing.

Certainly the simple and effective design on this early Islam coin really resonated with me. I was also very surprised because in my understanding the depiction of humans is discouraged in the hadith and by islamic authorities.

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Yes, "graven images" are banned in the Qur'an and for the most part, Islamic coinage is iconoclastic. Tabaristan was one of the last areas of the old Sasanian empire to come under Muslim authority and when it did, it was more of a process than overnight assimilation. By the early 9th century CE, standard 'Abbasid dirhams were being struck with the mint name "Tabaristan":
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Thanks for the information Kushanshah.

The stylised writing on the coin that you have shown in the last post reminds me of "barbed wire writing"

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Very nice coin Squire! Lovely clear legends especially the date as this is usually the most difficult part to attribute...Great pick up and thanks for sharing.


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Paul, having recently bought my first Tabaristan coin I have enjoyed re-reading this thread.

Thanks Ron...and a very nice coin you picked up too.

Thanks for the reference chart Kushanshah always helpful...

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Thanks Palouche
I encourage all CCF members to occasionally browse the coin shoppe and to appreciate - and maybe buy - coins that are outside the topic of the collectors normal interests. Maybe put these into an album of "random beauties".
For me the beauty of this Tabaristan coin spoke loudly and I am happy to have purchased it for a reasonable price. It now has its pride of place in my album.
Of course the other fun part of the purchase follows,when I put the coin up for scrutiny on this CCF forum. I find I always learn something new from the experts.
For example I did not know that the islamisation of conquered countries was actually a gradual process as demonstrated by the rulers portrait on this Islamic coin.

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