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1811/09 Bust Dime Grade Request

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Please opine on the grade of this dime:


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F-15. Very nice coin for the date. Most of these are very worn or come with problems...if you can find one. It does look like it has some slide marks on the portrait but, so what, with this date?
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It's close enough to 20 to call it that. Early non-half silver is never easy. I like this one.
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Very nice dime
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VF-20. I like it.
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Yes appears to be a F to VF grade and WOW, nice coin. Where did you get that one.
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VF-20
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VF-20 by a thin hair.
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I like it at f15. Very nice example of this tough early over date.
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One of my favorite CBD dates.
I grade it F15.
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F15 also
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F-15.
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I hesitated uploading these new photos of this 1811/09 10C because I noticed them much later plus finding a useful camera/lighting setup further delayed it.

It should be noted that the obverse is completely free of these type of scratches. Also, these two new reverse photos with scratches show the two areas with the highest concentration while the other areas on the reverse have very minimal or no scratches whatsoever.

Also, I purposely optimized the GIMP contrast, lighting & coloring to accent the worst of the scratches to easily see them to a point that is significantly more apparent compared to looking at them with just a 30X handheld magnifying glass.

Anyhow, let me know the answers to these:

1) How would these marks affect the previously stated F or VF grade?

2) Factoring in the age and rarity of this specimen would it still be worth sending it to PCGS and risk them deciding that this coin has been cleaned and will not grade?

3) Not necessarily on this particular sample, but does any coin having whizzing scratch marks risk the same decision from a TPG compared to similar scratch marks produced from a coin being drug across a concrete sidewalk, for example. And is there any way to distinguish between these two types of scratches that look very similar?

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In my opinion, the scratches that you are showing us are not due to whizzing, but some type of unintentional (minor) mechanical damage.

As I understand whizzing, it is mostly done or is mainly visible across surfaces and does not generally affect the high devices. Also, whizzing is evident as very fine parallel scratches, much finer than the ones visible in the pictures.
On your coin, and as far as I can see the surfaces adjacent to the scratches are not affected. Since only the high points are affected. this further supports the theory that it is minor intentional damage. Rubbing against a harsh surface would do this.

The minor scratches do not cause me not revise my original opinion of F15.
A TPG may be picky and go for F12 instead. That is possible.

I hope this helps.

As you seem to like this variety, I would like to show the 3 examples of the 1811/09 dime in my collection. (note the progression of the reverse die breaks which characterize this variety. Reverses without die breaks are very scarce).



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F-15. Very nice!
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Quote:
Where did you get that one


I have a new post auction routine whenever I finish any auction where anyone is selling their own coins.

I seek out the seller that 9 times out of 10 is usually seated somewhere in the audience.

Once found, I always ask that seller if he/she has any other unsold coins or duplicates to get rid of.

In this particular case a guy was liquidating his entire collection but didn't have enough time to place them in the auction that we both attended with me as a buyer and he as a seller etc. I bought this CB10C from him at a later date in a public restaurant. It saved us both some money doing it this way. :)
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