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Hi folks

I have a large collection to get under control. I'm new so I don't know the best way to sort them. I was looking at the categories under the Canadian coin section on ebay and wondered if I should just follow that? Can anyone suggest a better way?

I have a mixture of almost everything. Mint sets, paper, circulation, uncirculated etc.

Thanks

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Jurisdiction (Canada, NFLD, US etc), Denomination (or type if sets etc), Date, Variety, grade
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All good suggestions.



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take a few photos..pls..
be nice viewing..
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You mentioned variety. I haven't quite figured what varieties are.
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In practical terms (purists love to argue the details of course!) a variety will appear on the coin list as a separately priced item. Such as the Double Yoke varieties of the 1974 nickel dollar. http://coinsandcanada.com/coins-pri...ar-1953-1986 (not a complete list). There are also errors that may appear on any (usually circulation) coins but are generally not worth much except interest. http://coinsandcanada.com/coins-err...arieties.php
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So is it fair to say that a variety is an intentional variation of the same coin and an error is an unintentional flaw of the same coin?
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Most collectors look for coins for sets. Dividing first by denomination and then by type is usually easiest, then placing in date order under each type.

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There are thousands of coins in this collection so this is now a lifetime of work before I get to the photo stage :-)
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So is it fair to say that a variety is an intentional variation of the same coin and an error is an unintentional flaw of the same coin?


Nope. That would be too easy! Generally both are unintentional. Think of a variety having more to do with the design/manufacture of the dies being used to strike the coins and an error having more to do with something going wrong during the minting of an individual coin. IE, back in the Victorian dies the dates on coins would be punched in by hand. So on one die the last two digits might be spread out more (far date) and on another die they might be closer together (near date). These are varieties. If a drop of grease lands on the planchet just before it's struck ( Struck Through Grease) or a piece of the die breaks off while in use (die chip) then it's an error. Again, numismatists are happy to argue some of them one way and some the other so don't assume there is a definitive, authoritative list out there that covers all circumstances and is recognized to do so by all. Charlton Vol 1 went through a major revision a while back removing some listings that were previously deemed as varieties but then got re-considered to be errors. Some errors still remain listed in the catalogue though as they were grandfathered due to interest in them. For example, the 1956 10c Dot was removed from Charlton but is still a separate listing at http://coinsandcanada.com/coins-pri...ts-1953-1964. Both Charlton and C&C.com list the 1967 1c Double Date but only C&C.com lists the 1979 1c Double Date.
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May I suggest a good place to start . Pull all the large penny coins from the rest, sort by date ,
and then ... let us know what you found .
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I always thought that Hans Zoell had the best definition of a "variety", but he used the definition to differentiate between a Major and a Minor variety. To him, a variety was a coin that was struck with good dies, with good planchets on properly working machinery ... and that coin was somehow different than another. Design or position/correctional changes were approved by the mintmaster or the person in authority on the floor. Varieties can be due to changes in placement, position, font, monarch, legends or corrections to design, lettering or digits. Errors are anything else (cuds, die cracks, weak strikes, laminations, Mechanical Doubling, etc.
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I think that's a pretty good definition @okiecoiner. In my mind, however, using the incorrect die or incorrect planchet is an error, it was just made before the coin was struck. Examples would be CAM/WAM LMCs and silver planchet D-mint Ikes.
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Yes, as I said, good dies on good planchets and properly working machinery.... and any changes approved by the mintmaster. I would imagine that "human error" would/could be considered a variety, such as wrong punch, upside down punch (1859 9/6), etc. Almost anything else is an error, including strike-throughs, die rotations, etc.
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