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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have a1932 S Washington. I took it to a show to sell. I had 3 dealers question the mint mark. One told me the dealers should know more than the seller. So if someone buys it and it's fake it's on them. But me being me I sent in it for grading and it's now NGC AU 58. So the dealer needs to eat the loss.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No idea about the legal ramifications but I feel the seller of the coin is in the clear. You said the seller went in and said up front he had no clue about the coins. The dealer took a risk and lost. The offer seemed fairly low for that key date coin so It appears the dealer wanted an easy profit at the sellers expense. I highly doubt if the coin came back a high grade worth $10,000+ the dealer would call the seller and pay him more money for the coin. The dealer is the professional who made the offer and lost. I vote the seller should keep the money with a clean consience.
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United States
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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A member of the public has no obligation to reverse a deal. Since I deal myself and get discounts from dealers for being a dealer, I would feel obligated to reverse any deal involving a non-legit or altered coin. A person just walking into a coin shop has no obligation of professional courtesy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The dealer made a bad bet. He lost.
If he had received the coin back from PCGS slabbed several grades higher than the value he paid for it I highly doubt he would have looked up the seller and wrote him a check for the difference.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Valued Member
 United States
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Quote: A member of the public has no obligation to reverse a deal. Since I deal myself and get discounts from dealers for being a dealer, I would feel obligated to reverse any deal involving a non-legit or altered coin. A person just walking into a coin shop has no obligation of professional courtesy. I was hoping to hear from a dealer or 2 on their take on this, to see how they would handle it.
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This dealer needs to take their lumps and move on.  I have no problem with them playing the game as long as they are willing to accept their losses just as they celebrate their victories.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What kind of a dealer is this anyway? Good grief. He wrote a tacky letter to the seller and, I guess, stated that he hoped he would do the right thing and return the $2200? Uhhhh, what? Really? Is anyone else even remotely irritated by this? The old adage, BUYER BEWARE, applies to everyone. He has no excuse, especially considering that he was able to examine the coin himself, up close and personal, TWICE. The seller is in the clear, completely.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I have no problem with them playing the game as long as they are willing to accept their losses just as they celebrate their victories. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: I was hoping to hear from a dealer or 2 on their take on this, to see how they would handle it. Once a person is in the business of buying and selling coins for a living, they are making a living based off their expertise. From the sounds of it, this 'dealer' was looking to make a killing, and lost. It would be entirely different if buying from another dealer. I couldn't imagine having the gall to write a letter to someone like that, a 2k lesson would be a heck of lot less than the reputation damage something like that would have... My bag of counterfeits sitting in my office drawer is always a good reminder that if something seems too good to be true, it nearly always is...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Person A doesn't think he has any legal obligation to reverse the sale, but is looking for opinions.
What do you guys think of this situation? is the dealer proper in asking for money back? is the seller required to pay the dealer back? Does he have a legal obligation to reverse the sale? Probably not. The seller knows little or nothing about the coin and is depending on the dealers opinion, which would be considered a professional opinion since he presents himself that way. The seller did not misrepresent and the dealer based his offer on his professional opinion. Is the dealer proper in asking for his money back? Well he isn't really asking for it back. He made an appeal to the sellers sense of ethics, but left the decision in the sellers hands. "hoping Person A do the right thing and return the $2200." That is not a demand or even a request for the money back. I don't see it as being improper. Specifically requesting or demanding a refund, yes that would be improper. Is the seller required to pay the dealer back? Required to? No. Does his sense of ethics make him think he should? That is only something the seller can decide for himself. As for the discussion about whether the dealer was hoping to rip off the seller, all such speculation is groundless. We haven't seen the coin and we really don't know what kind of condition it was in. There was no condition mentioned in the original posting. Later there was a comment that it may have been XF but this is an opinion from someone who admittedly knows little about coins. He may be right, he may be way off, the coin may have been cleaned, we don't KNOW. We have all seen people come online that don't know coins claiming they have something in great condition that turns out to be a VG. So any claims as to condition should be ignored. And if you do that then you can't make claims that the dealer was trying to rip him off.
Edited by Conder101 02/07/2018 11:11 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1314 Posts |
I have a close relationship with my local dealer, and believe in always taking the high moral ground. But under these circumstances, others have expressed my views. Quote: This dealer needs to take their lumps and move on. Quote: I couldn't imagine having the gall to write a letter to someone like that,
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
I'm a dealer. The first thing is that we make our money on seller ignorance. If someone comes in and says they have a group of Morgans to sell, I tell them that my buy price is $12 each and 9 times face on all 90 percent silver, 3 cents a peice for LWC, ect. Now if someone ask me what something is WORTH, I give them an honest answer. IF someone comes in with a folder and they clearly have something very valuable I will adjust, but will still lowball to start. MOST dealers I know will still offer 3 cents a peice for a folder of LWC; even if the 09svdb and 14d are there. I have seen dealers buy a COMPLETE whitman Morgan folder(s) at their "per piece" price. Having said that if someone comes in with a Key and have done their due dilegence then we can dance. But it is incombent ON ME to know what I am buying. IF I think there is a problem I buy it at a problem price. If it looks good and all the characteristics for that issue are there then we can go upwards. The bottom line is that unless the seller is an actual conman; I as the professional need to take me losses and move on.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
562 Posts |
I've read a few good arguments, I think dealer should suck it up and move on..
Edited by Chopped Triumphs 02/07/2018 3:59 pm
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