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Beefer and Muddler - you were both able to find beautiful examples with toning. I looked for something in the 64 or 65 range and it was a terribly long time before I actually bought one. I was hoping for something with peripheral toning, perhaps, or a bright white and I wanted to avoid the dark streaky splotchy toning so frequently found. With the HUGE price difference between a 64 and 65 I was hoping for an undergraded 64, which I knew was a long shot. The price goes up on the 65, and the census goes way down, so I could understand the significant price difference. But all I was finding were 64's that either had ICKY toning, or had big giant bag marks very evident on the obverse busts and the open fields of the reverse plains. There were also 65's that I thought barely passed into 65 territory. I know it gets some people grumpy, but I have to say I had a much harder time liking the grading on the PCGS examples, as a whole. Maybe I just looked at the wrong examples. The one I decided on had a tiny bit of peripheral toning, but what I really liked was the distribution of the bag marks. There were a number of teeny tiny hits on the obverse, but not a single BIG hit, nor were they located in places that jumped off the coin and slapped me in the face. The reverse was amazing. Those big giant fields were nearly perfect. And here it is:    |
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What's funny to me, is since I only have the one deeply toned Lafayette, every time I see one that is silver, it looks weird to me. LOL
Mox, that is a really nice coin! Even if it does look weird to me.
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Nice dollar for sure, guessing the cheek holds it back.
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I was hoping for an MS Lafayette today ... and moxking certainly checked that box with the lovely certified MS64 example.  Yours is indeed a lovely example and held back from MS65 ... IMHO ... only by the few visible bag hits on the obverse portrait of Washington. Do appreciate the accurate photos. Quick departure ... I've been searching for a few years now for an upgrade to my blast white PCGS MS64/CAC Lafayette ... the current pricing for classic silver commemorative is favorable ... but no coin meeting my favor in MS65 or better has appeared. To beefer and muddler ... thanks for sharing the circulated examples ... with toning indeed. They are both indeed attractive and desired members of this rare set ... Comment for muddler ... your coin shows a reverse circle that is behind the portrait of Gen. Lafayette on his horse ... the circle not being a part of the coin design. It also appears to have the number 7 contained within the circle. Question for muddler ... what do you know about the circle ... IMHO it absolutely makes the coin 'details -altered' ... unless you know of something else to explain it. To my circulated example .... one of four certified PO01 examples in my classic silver set ... 1900 Lafayette Dollar - PCGS PO01 Fully concur this is not a coin for everyone ... but do ask that you consider for just a moment the lifetime journey this Lafayette dollar took ... the transactions of commerce it completed .. and the wonder that it is now with me 118 years later. Enjoy Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Nickelsearcher - every time you post a circulated commem, I am in awe. I look at that Lafayette, and wonder how long it was in circulation, who eventually pulled it, and when they pulled it. I also wonder if it was ever questioned as it's authenticity of being a legitimate dollar by those it was presented to. Think about the percentage of today's population that have never seen a Franklin or Walkiing Liberty half. If presented with one, would they know what it was, and accept it for what it is? All of the circulated commems were not 'in your face' everyday coins at any point, so how many times were they refused?
That Lafayette looks like it was accepted countless times, and is just an amazing piece.
Bravo!
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Nicklesearcher, the mark inside the circular toning is a significant contact indentation. As for the cause of the hit or the strange circle behind the rider is unknown to me. I enjoy the coin for the unique toning rings it has.
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2004 P Lewis and Clark UNC dollar   |
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Apologies, but I just found this and have only one to share that should have been posted just a few days ago:   In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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GR58 that's a great looking L&C BU commemorative. Here's my proof version. May have to upgrade it someday due to the milk spotting. It's really noticeable in the photos, but not so much coin in-hand ...  |
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Spruett - your Jefferson was appreciated, a few days late is nothing that anyone of us cares much about, I don't think. Especially since you provided such awesome photos. As I mentioned earlier, that is just a fantastic portrait of Jefferson. GR58 - For whatever reason, perhaps because of the great photographs you've provided, I actually like the MS better than the DMP. I also REALLY like that obverse. It does a superb job of putting us "there" when it was happening. Yet another reason to finish my type set more quickly! BadDog - Great photos for the proof, but as mentioned, this is one that seems to provide better detail in MS. When it comes to that milk spotting, it's just a total pain. As I progressed with my ASE set, the only thing I do collect post-64, I've been extra cautious and observant on them for that same milky spotting. It is amazing how many of those went in to NGC or PCGS holders 10+ years ago, in the older holders, and have huge milk LAKES. Yours serves as a friendly reminder to watch out for them. Although, to my knowledge, there is nothing you can do to prevent it after your receive it. If I'm wrong on that point folks, please let me know what it recommended to get rid of or prevent the milk spots. Another happy day with my favorite thread! |
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And then I forget Nickelsearcher. I was not a fan of people collecting "worn out" coins before this thread. With the inclusion of such "astounding" circulated examples that you have provided, I have changed my mind.
I always try to respect ANYONE's goals or lack of goals in collecting, and this had been one of my sore spots, simply because I could see someone intentionally buffing them down.
But with your Lafayette especially, you have changed my mind. It would be nearly impossible to "buff" a coin down to show where the circulation was heaviest and the patterns of use most evident.
I just don't think you could "fake" a coin like your Lafayette. So you may take credit for changing a negative view to a positive view as it regards low grade circulated coins.
Thanks for making it much easier for me to understand. I have lost a negative which is always a great way to start a day!
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Although, to my knowledge, there is nothing you can do to prevent it after your receive it.  Nothing you can do to a slabbed coin for sure and as far as I know nothing can be done to remove them from any coin once they occur, or at least that's what NGC Conservation says Quote:
Can professional conservation from NCS remove white spots?
Numismatic Conservation Services (NCS), an independent affiliate of NGC, has conducted extensive research but has been unable to determine a conservation technique that can prevent or remove white spots without damaging the coin. In some cases white spots can be minimized, but they cannot be removed. You probably know that RCM now SAYS they have a coating to prevent milk spotting on their bullion coins, but only time will tell. This particular coin was purchased from a large ebay dealer that only posts "stock" photos, which are usually perfect coins for the grade. In this case, I mistakenly sent the coin to my son's address and by the time I got it, it was too late to return it. I'm sure I'll be able to flip it and get a better example at some point in the future for pretty minimal cost. Just isn't a priority right now Edited by BadDog
03/28/2018 10:45 am
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To my circulated example .... one of four certified PO01 examples in my classic silver set ... 1900 Lafayette Dollar - PCGS PO01 Love it! Quote:
Apologies, but I just found this and have only one to share that should have been posted just a few days ago: Catching up is okay.  |
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@ moxking ... Quote:
Thanks for making it much easier for me to understand. I have lost a negative which is always a great way to start a day! I appreciate your kind comments ... and outstanding to learn that your views of my circulated example from this set have in some small way altered your opinions of 'honestly worn' coins ... emphasis on the quotes. There are no manufactured 'buffed' coins in my circulated classic silver commemorative type set ... and many more to come on the appropriate day ... coins which have honorably served our nations commerce. Always great to learn of a educated collector who ... when exposed with new information ... adjusts their sails and moves on with new knowledge. Such is moxking ... well done. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Today is a real test—the Lewis and Clark gold dollar. I think this is the first gold-only commemorative on the list.
Any CCF members a lucky owner?
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03/29/2018 1:12 pm
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