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Is that P mean Pontius or Pilate, or neither?And is it genuine? Cheers again.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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Cheers ,Bob.What is a "lituus"?
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These coins have been around for a very long time;
from about the time Pontius was a pilate, and flew aircraft, in fact.
For an ancient coin quite common. It is possible to buy genuine examples for about the same price as common but nice late Roman bronzes.
However, because they are so famous, have always been faked / copied.
Have a look at the vcoins ancient website, type 'Pontius Pilate' into the search box for comparative examples.
Edited by sel_69l
02/24/2018 4:34 pm
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I'll do that. Does it look fake sel_69l? Cheers everyone for your help.
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02/24/2018 8:26 pm
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Hard to be 100% definite from the pictures, but worth taking the risk to buy it for a moderate price.
That is what I would do, if I wanted it.
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The coin is 100% real, no question at all about it. There were a lot of these made in Judaea, so to make one like that, off struck even on the wreath side, and to have no others exactly like it would mean someone made a piece like an artist. It would take real time and that patina is nearly impossible to pull off with chemicals etc. You would just not go to all that trouble to make and sell this coin, looking like this exactly having no match, to get so little money after the hours of work. There has to be a profit margin for coins that are still abundant. Really I have dealt with hundreds of these, there is no question at all it is real. If you failed to click on the link Bob provided about the Lituus it is a priestly instrument Pontius put on the coin to annoy the Jews. Remember Jews were telling the Romans no emperor images on the coins and they probably never liked having to bend over for the Jews and not the other provinces for such a criteria. So putting a pagan religious item on the coin is just to be annoying. That is just my opinion of course.
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Interesting. Hendin is in agreement with that theory, Joe, as you may know:
"The...coins struck under Pilate's government are unique among those of the prefects and procurators, since they alone carry symbols that are specifically offensive to the Jews...it has been suggested that Pilate was a follower of the anti-Semitic usurper L. Aelius Sejanus in Rome...Clues to the reasons why Pilate's coin motifs appeared to be antagonistic to Jews can also be found in the works of Philo and Josephus...Perhaps (portraying emperors' portraits on coins) was not within his mandate. But, he did use the images of two objects that were emblems of the Roman cult: the simpulum and the lituus."
Hendin goes on to quote Florence Banks: "'...he had the effrontery to provide those devout people of Judaea for their daily use a coin bearing, in its augur's wand, a symbol of one of the very customs which the Children of Israel has been specifically taught to abominate. Ever since the days of Moses they had been warned repeatedly against divining or augury in any form.'"
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...around for a very long time; from about the time Pontius was a pilate, and flew aircraft, in fact. Oh, Sel. Wow.  |
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