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Valued Member
Russian Federation
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Edited by flying_teapot
02/25/2018 05:07 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not genuine, counterfeit or added mintmark.
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Valued Member
 Russian Federation
417 Posts |
Thanks indian_hoarder
Well, the owner of this coin says he found it in a junk pile of foreing coins. This would be a big luck if it was genuine.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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One of the most frequently altered of all U.S. coins. There are better experts out there than me to pick this one. One could be scurrilous and put the fakes back into circulation.  (Probably has been done many times already). For me? I wouldn't do it. I most probably will be never be fortunate enough to have a genuine example, so I would just quietly accept a known and proven fake, and add it to my educational 'black' collection. |
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This coin is not my expertise .... that said the mint mark shape looks wrong to me. I'm going with added mint mark, not genuine.
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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United States
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100% certain not authentic.
The mint mark shape is wrong (better than many fakes, but still worng).
The mint mark location is wrong (pretty close to die #4, but not quite).
The VDB is one used for Philadelphia minted coins with the second period close to the D.
My free opinion, probably an added mint mark to a genuine Philadelphia minted coin, rather than an outright struck counterfeit.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Not genuine. On a genuine example the dot between the D and B (of the VDB) should be centered between the 2 letters. The one shown has the dot too close to the D.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow! Sounds like the counterfeiter added not only the S but also the VDB. A hard worker.
I have to admit, it looked pretty good to me, but I wasn't aware of the small details discussed above which reveal its inauthenticity.
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Valued Member
Russian Federation
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Thanks for everyone! Now I know what details I should look at to know genuine or not.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:
Wow! Sounds like the counterfeiter added not only the S but also the VDB. A hard worker. Not quite. The rule regarding the proximity of the dot to the D is only a rule for S mint VDBs. That is to say, that there was indeed a die that had the dot close to the D, but it was used in the Philadelphia mint only. That is precisely why it is such an effective marker. The VDB from Philly is a very common coin, while the S no VDB is already a scarce coin. The crooks don't want to risk a 1909 S by adding a VDB, they usually just add an S to a P VDB. They can sometimes get the S to be the right shape and placement, but they can't change the VDB. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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jpsned - He didn't add the VDB, but used an '09VDB Philly as his base.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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United States
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I learned alot from this post, thanks
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Valued Member
United States
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If they can add an S mint mark why can't they add a dot and remove a dot? Inquiring minds want to know. Does it leave a mark?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@Lionel-
#1 Removing a dot is always going to be harder than adding one.
#2 Ignorance. Both on the part of the counterfeiters, and more so, on the buyer end. They can get away with it, so they do it.
#3 Do we even need a reason?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Good enough to fool a lot of people. Put an imaginary rectangle around the mintmark and you might see how elongated the fake is relative to a real one.  Real  |
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Posted 02/25/2018 04:44 am
