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1964 Kennedy Half-Dollar With Lbj Pedigree

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I saw this 1964 Kennedy half-dollar with LBJ pedigree listed on ebay. Opinions?


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 Posted 02/28/2018  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Document needs to be independently verified.

Impossible to tell one genuine '64 Kennedy in high MS grade, from another, for extra verification relevant to the document.
Probably not much need to, anyway.

This is much more about the document, than the coin.

May help if you are a fan of LBJ.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion regarding the document, I find it questionable after looking at the letterhead or lack there of.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems a clumsy way to enclose the coin!
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 Posted 02/28/2018  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It will, unfortunately, fake out some bidders.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Located a related LBJ pedigree letter/coin (1965 quarter) from a previous Goldberg auction. Price realized $1438

http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...t=761&lang=1
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Same letter. The original images showed a stapled bag. It can be said that the bagging and stapling was performed by that recipient. This image shows another technique (framing both items) to not separate the letter and the coin.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinvirgin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any secretary worth her salt , not to mention a secretary working in the White House would not type a document/ letter that looks like that.
The form is not correct/ what today we call format doesn't Jive . The spacing, the letterhead. I could go on but you get the idea ? It's just my opinion
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Clarification:

1. I purchased the LBJ letter/coin sent to Congressman Stephens of Georgia. This is the initial picture in this thread.

2. WorthPoint auction results (sold March 27, 2011) identifies a similar LBJ letter/coin received by Congressman Metcalf of Montana. This is the later picture in this thread.

3. Method to retain the coin differs:
a. Stephens specimen placed the coin in cellophane bag and stapled it to the letter.
b. Metcalf specimen was secured in a frame along with the letter.

4. The Stephens envelope reveals that the letter was sent through internal U.S. Government channels from the White House to the Congressman (no postage).

5. In an another thread is a President Richard Nixon coin/letter with the similar size letter with a slightly different White House letterhead.

6. President Johnson, Congressman Stephens, and Congressman Metcalf each are members of the Democratic Party. It can be said that it is possible that only those Congressmen of the Democratic Party received the LBJ letter/coin.

7. The date March 24, 1964 is documented by other reference sources as the official first day release of the 1964 Kennedy half dollar to the general public.

8. The dated letter definitely provides evidence that the coin is a first day issue and better yet, gifted from a sitting US President.

9. I obtained a signed Letter of Provenance (from the Stephens Estate) that documents the LBJ letter/coin and its unbroken chain of ownership from President Johnson-to-Congressman Stephens-to-me.

10. As a result, this Letter of Provenance reflect that the current owner is separated by two degrees of separation from President Johnson (note the number of "-to-" in item 9 is a value of two).

11. I attached a redacted copy of the Letter of Provenance provided by the Stephens Estate (at my request).

12. I now have an excellent numismatic collectible.

By the way this is the fourth numismatic item (coin or medal) of which I own with an unbroken chain for ownership from the POTUS, relating to a US Mint product, and reflects myself as the current owner. This will make an excellent numismatic exhibit. (Note you need to re-read my thread relating to what is the difference between provenance and pedigree.)

Lastly, I posted an image of the LBJ letter/coin at my American Numismatic Association blog with all positive accolades of this historical collectible.

https://www.money.org/collector/drd...llars-struck

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Anyone seen any of the coins that President Kennedy tossed at football games he attended?


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Here is a tidbit at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library.
https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Vi...1-14-63.aspx

and another ...
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/20...ss-army-navy

more...
http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2013/...y-coin-toss/
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That's outstanding! Well done!
I stand corrected...
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Hi DrDarryl, I have the exact same coin and letter (on White House stationary) but it was gifted to a different Congressman. I do have a little more information about the distribution of the coins as well as an newspaper article about the sale of one many years ago. I am not a coin expert, I don't even know if I'm using this forum properly. I am looking for guidance on how to sell the coin. We received it directly from the Congressman as part of his estate (we are related by marriage). Thank you for an assistance you can provide. Christine
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Very interesting read and thread! Thank you for sharing this! This was pretty cool to look at.
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Thank you jbuck!
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