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ICCS To PCGS Landon Cross Grades

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I have posted before about how spectacular and original the Landon large cents were/are. They play pretty well with PCGS also. As a small, anecdotal sample, the three Landon lots I bought contained the following four coins:

1. 1887 cent, ICCS MS-67 Red, crossed as PCGS MS-66+ Red. PCGS has never graded any large cent as a 67.

2. 1905 cent, ICCS MS-66 Red, crossed as PCGS MS-66 Red.

3. 1882-H cent, Obverse 1, ICCS MS-65 Red, crossed as PCGS MS-65 RB, which was expected as the coin was only about 75% red.

4. 1882-H cent, Obverse 2, ICCS MS-65 Red, not submitted to PCGS yet, but probably also MS-65 RB.

Probably needless to say, but I am very pleased with these results.
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 Posted 03/09/2018  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still very nice additions Rob
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Nice one, gonna share pics?
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Except the 1905, you can see them here. The photos are hi-res and since I dropped Photobucket because of their photo sharing pricing policies, I haven't been posting pictures directly here.

https://www.PCGS.com/SetRegistry/co...mon-cents/73
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 Posted 03/10/2018  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you send them in the ICCS holder or cut them out?
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1 & 2 were submitted in the ICCS holder, with a designated minimum grade I would accept, 66+ for the 1887, 65+ for the 1905. 3 was cut out and submitted raw.
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PCGS is normally very tough with "red" designations .. it's good that the first two made it. Congrats. As you know, I'm not a "bright and shiny" person, but I think that it's great to be able to see something just as it looked coming out of the die.
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I'm a bit surprised that PCGS graded your coins about the same as ICCS.
From what I've seen ICCS tends to be stricter than PCGS and their -65 is a PCGS -66.
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Kanga - With one cent coins, my experience has been exactly the opposite.
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My experience is similar to bosox, PCGS is much stricter on Canadian bronze...

There are exceptions, however, especially with the older embossed ICCS certified coins of George VI bronze cents. 10 years ago, ICCS was pretty strict with their grading...
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I have had the same experience crossing Landon coins at PCGS. They were submitted raw and came back in the same grade.
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Beautiful coins Rob. My experience with US TPGs is the same. That includes silver in MS grades. My last batch of ICCS to NGC came back with two mid MS grade coins that came back lower by one grade. Overall, with the exception of two coins, all coins shipped came back even or within one grade up or down with a few ungraded numerically (and yes for the ICCS fans, mostly graded up)
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Were the coins given a Landon designation on the PCGS slabs?
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I think that PCGS usually is stricter on grading than ICCS. Expect your coins to grade 1 - 3 grade points down from ICCS.
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I didn't ask for it, so the coins did not get the Landon designation on the slabs. I kept the ICCS certs, which do have the Landon designation and the former ICCS grades.
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