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Steps Prior To Waxing?

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Hi, I have a growing collection of ancient bronze coins. I live in an area of fairly high humidity (typically 40% - 70% in the house). I also like to regularly handle my coins which means that air-tites etc are not an option for me and dessicants have limited effect because of the frequency with which I open my cabinet. I know people have different views on waxing but I have decided to try out RenWax to mitigate exposure to moisture. I know that before applying the wax I need to ensure that the coin is thoroughly dry but would it also be wise before sealing it to soak the coin in distilled water to flush out any remaining salts, chlorides etc? Or given that I only buy from auction houses and dealers (i.e. I don't buy uncleaned coins) would this be overkill? All advice gratefully received!
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For ancient coins, just clean with good old soap and water, then a quick rinse in acetone, then allow to completely dry.
Ultrasonic cleaning is usually beyond the means of the average coin collector, but if you talk in a friendly way to a museum curator, they may be able to help you out.

Use the same preservation wax that a museum would use, and apply according to directions. It may well serve you to talk to the Coins and Medals Department of the British Museum, and have a discussion about long term coin preservation.

I have also heard of a product called RenWax, which is also used for old timber preservation, and is used by museums.

Storage of coins in airtight capsules I believe, is not appropriate for ancient coins. A good quality even patina actually helps to protect an ancient coin.
Nevertheless, don't store any coins in a PVC album. Long term gassing out of the plasticisers in soft clear PVC can blacken ancient bronze coins in a few years. Better quality album page material is composed of Mylar or clear polypropylene.

If you are really worried about humidity, put coin albums in clip lock polyethylene bags along with a couple of small dessicant packets, and store in a closeable box. This sort of 'belts and braces' approach is more appropriate for high humidity tropical climates.
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Many thanks to sel 691 for the advice and to echizento for the welcome. If I may, I have some follow on questions;

Sel, you say to dip the coin in acetone. How long for?

Whilst I can't be completely sure, some of my coins may have been waxed by previous owners. Would dipping those in acetone cause problems?

After the acetone has completely air dried, is that sufficient? Or would it be sensible to also put the coins in the oven/on top of a radiator to ensure all moisture is removed before applying wax?

And finally, given that microcrystalline waxes such as Renaissance Wax are petroleum based, could there be a reaction between waxed coins and envelopes or felts? (I understand that we are straying into the technical here and I fully understand if you don't know, in which case I might well do what you suggest and ring the British Museum, but I just wonder if it is something you have ever heard mentioned.)

Thanks again for your help,

Ian.





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The trouble with felt is that they may have dust particles in it, accumulated over the years.

Museums use felt lined trays in large timber cabinet trays. That is an old storage and display system that has been used since the Renaissance.
I don't have the resources and storage space for a timber coin cabinet.

I opt for what I think is a far more common and modern method of storage and display for coins generally:- storage in cardboard / mylar 2x2's, which also carry all of the acquisition and attribution details. That sidesteps any problem that may arise from coins resting on felt. I have seen auction coin lots described that indicate 'cabinet friction'.

If you are using paper envelopes for coins, make sure the paper is acid and whitener chlorine free.

If a coin has old preservation wax on it, soak it in acetone overnight, use soap and water, and a quick rinse in acetone again.
(Distilled water would be preferable to tap water; Sydney, where I live, has always had very high quality drinkable tap water. Other cities around the World may be different.)
Apply new preservation wax after that.
I have never heard of acetone causing any trouble for any coin. Hundreds of members here in the CCF will readily attest to that.

I enjoyed a whole day in the Coins and Medals Department of the British Museum decades ago, looking specifically at Roman gold coins. Now you have jogged my memory, it feels as if I was there yesterday! I found all of the Museum staff very helpful, despite me knowing much less about Roman coins than I do now.

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