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1940,41 & 1942 Penny - Ghosting

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 Posted 06/08/2008  4:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dolly to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello. I did post a picture of a 1942 penny with I have been told ghosting. I have found my dad has 2 x 1942 ghost penny's (1 more ghosting) and also 1941 and 1940. He may have liked that that period had this problem. I have no idea. Please comment. The picture id of the 1942 which shows this flaw clearly.
Veronica

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06/08/2008 5:06 pm
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 Posted 06/08/2008  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a fairly common occurence on Aussie pennies, might add a small % to the value, but wouldn't be much. Of course if it's a very low mintage coin, the coin may attract a nice premium.

It's a good idea to post pictures of both sides of the coins, that way anyone looking at them should be able to identify where it was minted correctly. Some of the pre-decimals might have several mints involved in minting them & sometimes the mint mark is on the Obv (front), sometimes on the Rev (back), sometimes a combination of both.

You're doing well with the photos, keep it up & you'll soon have a heap of info about your coins.
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 Posted 06/08/2008  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that's a pretty dramatic ghosting! And, judging by the details on the reverse, would that be a very worn die?
I notice that Farnbycoins has a 1942 penny with similar ghosting. Does anyone see the different shape to the 2 in the date--strike or die wear perhaps?
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 Posted 06/08/2008  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add farnbycoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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This is a fairly common occurrence on Aussie pennies

Yes and especially on the war time coins. The need being urgent, the mint really extended the life of the dies, and ramped up the strike pressure to extend the dies life.
This has caused a great many weak detail/ worn die strikes for the 40's coins and this ghosting phenomenon is common on these coins.
Yours however, is a very strong example, and if the roo also shows through the Kings head in the same manner, then would spark some interest from collectors. I have seen this effect sell for into the $20.00- $30.00 range for very strong examples in the mid grade range, that appear both sides, but normally reach this price on only the 41 varieties for some reason.
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06/09/2008 12:39 am
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You will see on the picture of mine Kurt, a slight strike through type spur showing in the field above the 1 in the date under the roos hind.
These seem to gathering a following on auctions, mainly on Eliz II obv coins, referred to as shark fin spur, but normally are stronger than mine, hence, I would not class nor sell this 42y as such, is just interesting is all.
1940,41-&-1942-Penny---Ghosting
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 Posted 06/08/2008  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Hello. I have 5 x 1942 in total. This includes 2 with the ghosting. There is also 1 with no dot and no I. My dad marked it m dye? The pictures above I have posted re the I question.

Veronica
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06/08/2008 11:09 pm
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Mark, that's a nice "shark"! Perhaps it explains the "bite" in this roo's hindquarter?
I'll keep my eyes open for this one too!
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06/08/2008 11:20 pm
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 Posted 06/08/2008  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dolly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello. Sorry loaded the wrong pic. Have another look. Please.
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Ah, ok dolly, well there was no " no mint mark" coins struck for the 42 varieties, only 42y dot= Perth or the Bombay coins (dot before and after penny). Your dad probably marked it M as the Perth coins were derived from the 1938 Melb master tools.
He was more than likely investigating the different mint mark positions. It is suggested they come from many dies, each dot individually hand punched onto each die.
The Dots appear in different positions on the Perth coins.
The first you have pictured sits low and wide, and the second higher and closer to the Y.
Is very interesting to observe, but due to the high possibility of numerous different positions, collector interest in terms of investment are not at a high level.

As to that bum bite roo Kurt, it looks as though the dingos got to it first, lol. Possibly just a foreign object or dollop of grease at time of minting. Has always baffled me that one.
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