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 Posted 06/08/2008  11:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lperry3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey there, Just starting to dab a looking into currency.

What is this symbol following the serial numbers? It's on a silver certificate. Can't find anything on the net. However I did find out what the letters at the end stand for, couldn't find any other info other than the star.

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 Posted 06/09/2008  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimJing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whoa, that's crazy! I've never seen or heard of anything like that before. Maybe someone else can be of assistance...
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 Posted 06/09/2008  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffreyice1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a year and denomination on the Certificate? It would help.
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 Posted 06/09/2008  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can we also see a picture of the full bill?
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 Posted 06/09/2008  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was used on older bill circa late 19th early 20th century.
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 Posted 06/09/2008  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lperry3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a pic. It's on a 1899 Black Eagle silver certificate. I did some more research, it's a fr 229. Still trying to figure out what the symbol is used for though.

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 Posted 06/11/2008  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Black Eagles are beautiful!
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I fell in love with them recently and bought one last night at Heritage Auctions. I feel like they are more like buying a Rembrandt or Picasso! I'm going to the library tonight to look through the Robert Friedberg book to see if I can find out what that dang symbol is. Wish me luck.
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 Posted 06/11/2008  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add photoeric21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome, Definitely report your finds.. this thread has sparked my curiosity.

I just jumped on the black eagle bandwagon last night via ebay haha.

Looking forward to getting it later this week
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Good job on getting the black eagle. I've been outbid on ebay with seconds to go in the bidding process twice now.

I went to the library and of course they couldn't find the Friedberg book in the reference section. I guess it's an oversized book and who knows where they stashed it. I had half the library looking for it.

So while I was there I browsed the currency Black Book. He made a reference that the symbol was used just to mark the ends of the serial number so no other numbers could be attached. I've seen the symbol sporadically on large silver certificates in different years. Can't imagine the printers would go from a letter to that symbol off and on just for the heck of it. I'm now thinking it might be when they are finished using up all the suffix letters?

I'm ordering a cross state transfer on the Friedberg book from another library out of town and it's a checkout book! When it arrives here some time next week I'll check it out.
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 Posted 06/11/2008  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SecretGlitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://cgi.ebay.com/F-228-1-1899-Si...er_W0QQitemZ220205385684QQihZ012QQcategoryZ149945QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

I found another with the symbol, but the seller doesn't seem to show interest about it.
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 Posted 06/11/2008  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lperry3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm beginning to think the symbol is pretty typical. When I first saw it I thought wow, I've got a winner here. I've seen them on a lot of series 1800's silver certs since then. Not just the fr 229. That's why I need the Friedberg book, he wrote the book on fr (friedberg) types of large silver certs.

The more I look into these bills, of course the condition has a lot to do with the value (although I love the look of the well used ones) and the rarity. From what little I've learned so far, the placement of the series and different combinations of signatures denote rarity. But now I see a different reverse side to the 1899 also. Which I find is a lot more appealing. Same reverse as a 1923 if I'm not mistaken. Lots to learn yet.
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 Posted 06/12/2008  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah it is just part of the design! I have seen them on large size legal tender notes and large size national bank notes. Different symbols from the silver certificate but still a symbol. Its like the star "on large size notes pre 1908 the star means nothing its just part of the design. It wasn't until 1908 that they started using the star for replacement notes."
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