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Here is a picture from a posting I received today. The owner identifies the coin as a "plate coin". What is wrong here?  |
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Well, I'm not silly enough to guess that the right answer is "nothing". Perhaps it is an electrotype copy of the plate coin? I see a bit of raggedness along the denticles from about 7 To 10 o'clock, but mostly I am interested to hear what the folks who actually know the answer will say.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Spence I believe that this is in fact the plate coin.
But there is a serious problem.
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Ok well then I'm completely stumped and looking forward to learning the answer when someone more knowledgeable than I am weighs in.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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The "plate coin" is larger than the plate?
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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It's the same coin as shown in the book?
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spruett001 Your observation that; Quote:
The "plate coin" is larger than the plate? is entirely correct. However all that means is that the photos in the book are smaller than the coin. (Photo reduction).
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Okay. I thought the pics were supposed to be 1:1. Quote:
It's the same coin as shown in the book? I believe that is why it's called the "plate coin." In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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03/18/2018 02:15 am
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The sprig on right next to 0 looks different? So does the angle of the upper portion of counter stamp. Those may just be printing mishaps, tho?
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03/18/2018 02:22 am
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I have now studied the coin by reviewing lighting as well as the angle of incidence and I have come to the conclusion that my initial evaluation may have been incorrect.
Sorry for the confusion. My initial review indicated that the stamp face was the incorrect proportion. I now realize that the angle causes the stamp to appear shallower.
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I just saw this thread, and also was going to suggest the counterstamp looked wrong, but I agree with what you're saying. If the photo was taken at a different angle with respect to the plane of the coin, the counterstamp would look different than in the catalog image. For example, if the actual coin photo is taken at a shallower angle, the denticles would look longer, as they do, but the relative proportions of the counterstamp to the entire coin along that axis should still be OK. I am still bothered a bit by the thinness where both the 9 and the 6 curl back on themselves (it seems like these should be thicker than in the plate, if the denticles are longer due to the angle of the photo).
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03/18/2018 2:41 pm
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the imperfections in the planchet are very much the same => it seems to be the same coin
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Post strike imperfections and checking my copy of Krause finally convinced me that there was no "swapping" of photos going on. A Krause plate coin very rarely comes to market and I posted too hastily without checking the obvious reference (Krause itself). Far too often the page upon which a coin like this is photographed has nothing to do with a legitimate reference book. Anyone can photo shop their coin over a legitimate page and make it look like their coin is a dead ringer for a genuine type.
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Anyone can photo shop their coin over a legitimate page and make it look like their coin is a dead ringer for a genuine type I share your concern, and when further thinking about what makes coin collecting interesting, here are two sides of a coin that may matter: * the desire to possess something of value and - perhaps - to make money out of a fair trade in objects of value ** the passion to understand the history of our ancestors and preserve that history for future generations the numismatic frauds of today with an increasing toolbox of tricks to deceive intoxicate both sides if nothing is done against this spreading disease they could make the field sick and ugly Edited by 1c5d7n5m
04/02/2018 05:02 am
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