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1817 Rouble: Improved After Pocket Time?

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I posted this Russian rouble coin back in March 2008. It was one of my first purchases from ebay and was obviously cleaned and possibly even polished. Several posters commented that I could diminish the unnatural shine by carrying the coin as a pocket piece. Well, here is the coin after some pocket time.

Here are photos taken in March.
1817-Rouble:--Improved-After-Pocket-Time?
1817-Rouble:--Improved-After-Pocket-Time?

Here's the coin as of today.

1817-Rouble:--Improved-After-Pocket-Time?
1817-Rouble:--Improved-After-Pocket-Time?

I do think it looks better. Anybody have any comments?
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 Posted 06/10/2008  04:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stratocaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it lost some detail too.If I look at the crown on the reverse for example, (not the one on top of the eagle), on the original version I can see all the tiny vertical lines at the base of the crown.On the pocket worn version, I can't even see half of them. Looks to me that besides getting rid of the polished-look, you've also worn it a little, downgrading it by a fraction at the same time maybe.
Great coin anyway, and now if you don't mind a few questions.
Is there a die crack linking the N-E-T-A letters on the obverse at 9-11 o'clock?
And the inscription on the reverse I think it sounds like: UISTAGO SEREBRA 4 ZOLOTN 21 DOL(IA). Is that the eqoivallent in Polish zlots and American dollars of the roubble?

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Hi Stratocaster,
Yes, there is a prominent crack at that location. I do see a very slight loss of detail due to pocket wear, but in-hand I can still see all the vertical lines on the reverse crown. I think I've probably gotten enough improvement at this point and will return the coin to a holder, since I really don't want to lose much more detail.

I haven't a clue about the inscriptions. This coin weighs about 20.3 grams and has an edge inscription which includes the term "83 1/3" which I believe means it the silver content is 83.3%. That puts the total silver content well below a US silver dollar which is around 26.7 grams of 90% silver. The value relative to a dollar must be only about 70¢ based on silver content.

Thanks for the comment!
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Coins rehabbed by pocket time sometimes look more worn because there is less contrast between the two surfaces. I think that this coins looks much better now.
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I think that "Chistago Serebra" means "pure silver", but it's curious that Zlotyn and Dollars are mentioned.
Was this the Russian equivalent of a " Trade dollar"?
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I definitely think it looks better.
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Neither Polish zlotych nor American dollars are mentioned on this coin. Those are referring to obsolete units of weight, and untimately the fineness of the silver.

The zolotnik and the dolya were predecimal units of weight in Russia; there were 96 dolya to the zolotnik, which was equal to about 4¼ grams. See this wikipedia page.

The Polish currency, the zloty, was named after this Russian unit of weight.
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Thanks for enlighting us again Sap!
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