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Island Of Sumatra, 1804, Token/Coin? Anyone Familiar With This?

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Anyone familiar with this? Denomination? What was it used for? Value?

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Dutch East Indies trade coinage?
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Netherlands East Indies, 1 Keping, KM262.

You can find some recent sales of this coin in various grades with an ebay search
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Thanks all.

Numista.com has the Country as "British East Indies (Sumatra)". My research corresponds with the above posters that it was the "Netherlands/Dutch East Indies (Sumatra)". I'm very curious about the discrepancy, from a historic stand point.

Maybe the following may provide a clue. A friend and fellow numismatic stated this 1 Keping was "Singapore Merchants Token Coinage".
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It seems the situation was clear as mud in this part of the world in 1804.

As best I understand, Sumatra was part of a Dutch colony, and Malaya and Singapore were British colonies at the beginning of the 19th century. The British East India Company was a commercial entity chartered with doing trade in this part of the world.

Both your coin/token and the one I cited in error (and Petrus corrected) bear the coat of arms of the British East India Company, despite being linked geographically to Sumatra.

So, maybe the explanation is something like this: because the coins were used in Sumatra (Dutch East Indies), NGC lists them under Netherlands East Indies. Because they were issued by the British East India company, others list them as British East Indies.

As if that weren't confusing enough, I also found this comment: "The British temporarily possessed Dutch territories during the Napoleonic Wars."

Make sense yet?
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These coins can cause some confusion, to people trying to find them in the coin catalogues.

Sumatra is a large island in what is now Indonesia, forming the western shore of the Strait of Malacca with Malaysia on the eastern shore. During the European colonial period, these territories were originally controlled by Portugal; the Dutch took them over in 1641.

During the Napoleonic wars in the early 1800s, the Netherlands found itself annexed and assimilated by the French, becoming a French ally by force; the French thus took nominal control of the Dutch colonies. To prevent this becoming actual control, the British invaded and annexed as many Dutch colonies and territories as they could. They annexed the port of Malacca, as well as strategic ports on the island of Sumatra. This coin was issued for use on British-occupied Sumatra. The coat of arms on the coin is the arms of the British East India Company. After the war, the British gave Sumatra along with many of the other annexed territories back to the newly independent Netherlands.

To complicate things further, merchants in Singapore in the 1830s made evasive imitations of these coins, with similar legends (such as "Island of Sultana").
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My favorite aspect of numismatics is history. I've dug through quite a few academic papers written about trade and commerce in this geographic area during this time period. Learned a lot but overall there is scant information available.

Which is why I'm doubly impressed because I do believe that Sap nailed it.

Thank you as well tdziemia for pointing out the British East India Company's coat of arms. I should of recognized this first since it was literally staring me in the face the whole time.
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