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1951 S Penny And 2016 D KY Quarter

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 Posted 04/09/2018  6:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add radatat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good day to all. On the penny, does the flaw going through the 1 in the date prepresent a delamination flaw?
One of the uploads for this penny is the last one. Oops.

On the Quarter is the raised portion in Cumberland a die chip?

Thanks

Rich

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 Posted 04/09/2018  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lamination yes indeed, an attached lam. The quarter is more a die gouge between the letters, something dug into the die there.
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 Posted 04/09/2018  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind these devices are incuse on the quarter. So a contact mark usually doesn't show on them. But it will look raised. If the contact mark is deep it might show when it hits a device.
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While this looks raised, it is actually incuse like the devices:
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When the coin is rotated 90 Degrees, then you can see that it is sunk into the coin, just like the bag mark into the coin.
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 Posted 04/10/2018  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radatat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop. I have studied Incuse for a while and the definition is fairly clean. My question is whether or not an incuse mark will always be concave? Or can part of the mark be above the coin surface. What you are saying about the quarter I showed is that is PMD? Or something else. Sure doesn't look like it is below the surface. Trying to understand . Smile
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 Posted 04/10/2018  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Contact on a coin will make an incuse mark. But also the area around that contact mark may also have a wave of metal movement. This distortion always tells me this happened after the strike. If a coin is struck through something during the strike, that way will not be there as the die forms around the struck item and prevents the wave of metal from forming.
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Note the area affected is only the wire struck through, without distortion.
Here is a side by side of this coin and a different one that shows the distortion/metal movement wave:
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So a contact mark is incuse and metal movement show it happened after the strike. ( PSD)
CoopHome incuse metal displacement PSD
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ok got it regarding the two examples. So on the quarter I showed, there is some type of incuse marking that caused the raised area after strike? I don't see that but it is rounded for sure. I will try to magnify greater and find the incuse area. Thanks again. Rich
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Depending on what caused the mark the shape will often copy that. On the examples I posted, the length and shape of the wire. I'm not sure what made the mark on your coin?
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 Posted 04/11/2018  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radatat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah me either. thanks again Coop.
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Checking with light direction, the mark looks incuse. (devices also incuse, so the light reflects on the same sides) So with these devices incuse on the coin, they are raised on the die. The incuse area would have to be something picked up on the die because it caused a incuse mark on the coin. (pretty much rules out a die gouge) So it would have to be a struck through that stuck on the die or was pressed into the coin at the time of the strike. (Had to think on this one a while to figure it out) Struck through error. Not a die gouge.
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