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1964 LMC Strong DDR On A Clip - Help Needed

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I have never got the hang of DDRs, and 1964 just baffles me. Could one of you DDR folks please help me attribute this coin? I can find a die scratch as well as the next guy but I am unable to see the nuances in the doubling on the reverse that get you close to the right variety to start looking for die scratches. One hour of combing DDR photos online and I still can not place this coin, so any and all help appreciated.

Side note: I got his coin off ebay in a small lot of minor clips and such that I got for just under ten bucks. I could see a Retained Cud in the photos that I wanted so was really after that and was quite surprised to find a DDR among the various clipped planchets in the lot.

1964 Lincoln Memorial cent DDR-? on a clipped planchet:


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I was kind of curious myself and from what I could see it looks like ddr-071. There is so many for that year. Def a cool coin. Did you buy that or find it?
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Well I bought the coin as a clipped planchet in a small collection of minor errors, but I found the DDR on it myself.
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I see notching so I think it is a DDR. There are only 16 on CC's site.tropicalbats,Have you checked CC, VV and Wexlers site for a match?
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Yes, I checked them all but most of the ones on Wexler's site have no images. I either missed something, it is one of those many on Wexler's site, or a new one which I strongly doubt given how strong it is.
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I looked around, I don't think it's listed on VV or CC, and it's not pictured on Wexlers site.
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So maybe I'm not going crazy and missing things? Hard to believe this one would be new so probably will have to send it to Mr. Wexler to really know for sure.

Huge thanks for taking the time to help try and figure this one out!
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Normal metal flow during striking is going to be affected by the clip.
So it boils down to the cause of the doubling (and I agree, a DDR is a distinct possibility).
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I agree , the notching is indicative of the Doubling, but can not locate any matches. Let's see what copp has to say or Perhaps you can shoot some images to J.Wexler .
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I believe it is 100% a doubled die. Strong notching on most of the letters. But unlike most 1964 DDRs this is a class I or V, not a class II like most of them.
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I have only ever sent coins to Mr. Wexler, not images in an email. I wonder if he would be amenable to checking out this topic here since all the photos are already up?
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I wonder if he would be amenable to checking out this topic here since all the photos are already up?


I sent him the link to a post here about the 2017-P doubled working hubs, that's how he found out.

You should be able to do the same with this post.
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And ,yes for me as well he will respond.
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Mr Wexler's response was that with 116 1964 DDR's in his files it is not reasonable to figure it out without him having it in hand. Lordy, that's a lot of doubled dies on one side of one year at one mint. So it looks like it will have to wait until I can fit it in to one of my submissions to him before we shall know for sure. That'll take some time, but I will update this thread whenever I have a final call on what it is.

I really want to thank ya'll for helping out with this and working it through to what seems to be the end solution.
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Sometimes it is a new listing though. I prefer the doubled dies with mint marks because of the pre 1989 coins you would check mint mark location to ID these easier that way. It is a nice one. The having an error is not a plus on a coin. why? Because the two different camps collect these. to an error collector, have a variety on the coin doesn't matter them them, and vice versa. On the other camp, the variety collector might turn it down because it is not a complete coin to them.
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Coop, you have it exactly right about error + variety not being a good thing. But for this one I'm keeping it for my own collection and I think it's pretty darn neat so all is well. Next I need to find a doubled die on an off center coin.
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