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 This one appears to be brass. It measures 28.3mm and weighs 4.91 grams. Date appears t be 1798. Normal 2 reales diameter is 26mm and weight new is 6.77 grams. Notice on the reverse there is no denomination or mintmark and the assayer is MF. You have to wonder how anything this far out of tolerance could ever had circulated which it obviously did. Edited by numismatist6 04/15/2018 1:53 pm
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Quote: You have to wonder how anything this far out of tolerance could ever had circulated which it obviously did. Well, of course it was probably originally silvered, or maybe even only tinned. The Spanish colonies of the period were filled with people whose monetary sophistication was such that they could've been quite easily swindled with the passing of the likes of this, especially given the modest denomination at which it was probably being valued.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss 04/15/2018 6:41 pm
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Many thanks. Interesting reference.
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Which Kleeberg book has this kind of info? Thanks in advance
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It's available for free at the Newman Numismatic Portal: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/513009?page=196That's the middle of the section covering these, page back for historical info and forward for more descriptions and plates of the various coins.
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The Kleeberg CCC2R's were done/written in three parts:
Part 1 - This COAC book ~ 50 varieties.
Part 2 - The CNL Update - April 2011 - Colonial Newsletter - also use the Eric Newman Portal under JOURNALS ~ 50 varieties or if an MNA member see the Library section.
Part 3 - Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies - 25th Anniversary (2017) ~ 50 varieties in Chapter 2.
There is EXACTLY 160 varieties to date. But we HIT THE WALL. Maybe 1 variety surfaces every year now ... maybe.
John Lorenzo New Jersey
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Nice find its a Kleeberg 78A-M1. FM Assayer, mercuric silvering over a brass alloy.
Here are its diagnostics:
1. Plain Edge, Medal Turn die Axis. 2. An ordinal of Charles II with the date 1778 being in the reign of Charles III. 3. D in IND is backwards (retrograde D). 4. The T mintmark is nonsensical. 5. the "2" in 2R is actually an ampersand or other symbol. 6. Its Rarity is R7+ (1-JPL Collection, 2-Wnuck Stacks Sale: 11/16/2012:Lot 6904), two in ANS).
Value: $100-up.
John Lorenzo Numismatist United States
Edited by colonialjohn 04/29/2018 3:06 pm
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