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1944-S LWC Thin Planchet 2.2g

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I always wonder when I find these thin planchet coins if they are foreign stock or not. How do the TPG folks actually authenticate them? This one is 2.2g


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Very nice find tropicalbats! I love these errors.
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XRF would tell the alloy mix, foreign coins (unless minted here for there) are usually a bit different mix and trace elements would be different.
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I always wonder when I find these thin planchet coins if they are foreign stock or not. How do the TPG folks actually authenticate them?


One reference see below.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...-wr.all.html

Note US sized blanks punch from foreign rolled stock and US coins struck on a blank that was sized specific to strike a foreign coin should not be confused. The volume, weight and composition can differ or can have a close or similar make up. Thanks, Doug.

Will add a link with a few known foreign coinage references in a bit.

Added below topic for reference.
http://goccf.com/t/314221&SearchTer...thanks,,Doug.
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The Mike Diamond article is really useful, but not so much for copper. With no other US copper planchets to choose from it would be obvious if a Lincoln were struck on the wrong material (and then the math in the article would work quite well). So thin rolled or foreign has always been the two choices I know of (but very much not my area of expertise).

I've seen the foreign minted list before, but through that link I was able to download it into excel and, from my standpoint, make it more useful. Sorted by country is probably most useful to someone, but I needed it by year since that is what I was going on from the 1944-S. And after year then mint mark, and then material and could a cent be on that size planchet in the first place. Wow, what a LOT of useful information in one spreadsheet and was able to very quickly determine that the only possible known foreign planchet would be a leftover 1943 El Salvador 1 Centavo which was minted in San Francisco and had a published weight of 2.5g. So it is a 95/5 Cu/ZN mix alloy as well and therefore even it were the 1:4.9 billion chance of being on a foreign planchet there is essentially no way to prove it.

Enjoyable little exercise going through the steps to learn about this end of things. Big thanks for the input and links!
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The Mike Diamond article is really useful, but not so much for copper.


I'm thinking the math is the same for figuring a potential punched from foreign stock regardless if punched from copper or any other composition.

Often times the tolerances are so close a case can be plausible, but difficult to prove 100% when the composition is the same or similar.

Seems several foreign coins with similar composition were handled this year at the San Francisco mint.

I generally just search the spread sheet by date and watch for the mints location and composition. Then observe the diameter as needed. Seems to narrow it down pretty quick. Thanks, Doug.
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Okay, I see where I missed that. I was just thinking of foreign planchet dropping into cent hole. But yes, it would seem that it would be more likely, and somewhat more time-consuming, to figure out what a cent minted on any particular foreign stock would weigh. And after reading Mike's article is seems like there is more than a little guessing and making things up rather than science and math behind what gets labeled how by the TPG folks.
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