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New package of 'stuff' arrived today This follis of Max has me intrigued Not sure what to make of it really Billon Follis Maximianus Obv IMP MAXIMIANVS PF AVG Laureate bust of Maximian right Rv GENIO CAESARIS Genius standing left holding patera and cornucopia Crescent moon in field left Officina mark Γ in field right Mint mark SIS ? in exergue 5.19 grams 23-8mm RIC ?   Opinions ? Probably I am missing something obvious ........ or maybe I am not ! |
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No opinion on a RIC attribution, but that is a legit Burt Reynolds 'stache!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Strong indication that the coin was minted under Maxentius.
I believe my mint attribution to be incorrect
Cannot be Siscia
But what the hey is it ?
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Edited by Kushanshah
05/05/2018 01:05 am
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Exactly my point Kushanshah
If you look at the time when that coin is attributed .......
Max had been deceased for several years !
The size and weight give us AD 310
The obverse gives us an emperor who died in AD 308 and in the portrait style indicating his dalliance with his son Maxentius
The reverse gives us ........ a match with Maximinus II
GENIO CAESARIS ?
Nothing matches up with the other !
Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS
05/05/2018 06:39 am
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I agree with the attribution of Kushanshah : RICVI,201a . It is a coin from Maximianus , who died in 310 in Massila .In the spring of AD 310 , Maximianus , who ,had been living at the court of Constantine since his second abdication , rebelled against his son in law and was proclaimed emperor for a third time . Constantine besieged him in Massilia and , after the fall of the city , the old emperor was put to death or perhaps commited suicide . albert
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The attribution RIC VI, 201a works just fine for one side only
The reverse
You are correct about the demise of Max in AD 310
I confused his second abdication 308 with his big "hair cut" in 310
But there aren't supposed to be any third reign coins from his last grab for the brass ring in Massilia.
So ........
We have a 'mule' that weight wise seems to originate in the 'third' reign ?
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THe attribution is correct . After rechecking , I understand Ric means the coins of Galerius : in the inscriptions for AE coins , 1a is Maximianus , 1b and 1c Gal Val Maximiano , so it is Caius Galerius Valerius Maximianus .During his reign , the size and the weights of the follis declined considerably at both Eastern and Western mints . It is not the first time that I make a mistake with this Maximianus'coins , and I think it will not the last time . albert
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You lost me somewhere here
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It is a coin of Galerius , with in the legend his name Maximianus , as on many of his coins . The coin belongs to Group III in RIC , for the period november 308-summer 311 .As you said , there are no coins in this period for Maximianus Herculius , only for Galerius , as is showed by the legends in Ric p 479, 1a,1b,1c. ( see post Kushanshah) . albert
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Yes. Heading for group III p. 477:  Edited by Kushanshah
05/05/2018 5:38 pm
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I think it is the reverse GENIO CAESARIS which confused me the most ! Deciphering the RIC isn't easy for me either.
The period in question had at least 5 Augusti (Galerius Licinius Constantine Maxentius Maximinus II)
Thats together with Diocletian growing cabbages* down on the Dalmatian coast and Maximianus running around conspiring to make a 3rd comeback. Everyones an Augustus with a shortage of Caesars !
Odd that Galerius would acknowledge the Caesars when he didn't seem to have anyone that actually wanted the job.
Maybe it was just wishful thinking on his part.
* note
I read once that Maximianus begged the aged Diocletian to reclaim the purple that they might both restore order to the chaos of AD 308
Diocletian is said to have held up a cabbage he grew himself and replied to Max
"If you could see what I see in this cabbage you would never ask me such a question"
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The history of this peiod is very complex , there is a very good resume in my old copy of Roman coins and their values from 1964 . Maybe this will be helpful to other collectors . albert   |
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