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Edited by Jim0815
05/10/2018 12:45 pm
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I can't tell from your pictures, but maybe it's Die Deterioration Doubling from the die being worn. If any polishing was done to the die, then that might have caused what we call "Die Abrasion Doubling". Don't take my word for it just yet. I'll let the pros chime in. Errers and Varietys.
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You're very welcome and no problem anytime! I'm pretty interested to see where this topic is going to go.
Errers and Varietys.
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Center area MD.Note the outline of the forehead has a bit too. Dies tend to "catch" on the "highest" point of detail, remember reversed image, so the eyelid is one of those higher points. And, remember this all depends on the "depth" the details have when viewing from the field level(die's face). Here's a diagram showing "device depth":   Edited by Crazyb0
05/10/2018 1:11 pm
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Crazyb0, that the thing I hate most about having to use an iPhone camera with a magnifier. The forehead area also is doubled but rounded and not shelflike I see on most all MD's. I just wish to goodness I had a better camera. Funny thing is, the front part of the hair isn't doubled nor is the nose. I most definitely thank you for explaining to me what I'm seeing as well as the illustration.
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05/10/2018 1:11 pm
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Jim, you have "the eye" for these errors. Not everybody does, it takes that inherent gift of being spaceally and linearly adept. You just need to fine tune that ability. Instead of examining coins to find true hub doubled events, and becoming confused, I had to begin a massive study on looking at, and reading about doubled dies...pictures, pictures and more pictures until my mind began to recognize exactly WHAT I needed to look for. Once I got that "training" in my "eye to mind" avenue, it became emensely easier to spot and discount MD, and other damages. They say it takes 21 days of concentrated effort to change the "habit" your brain has formed, and by God, for once the "they" are right!  Edited by Crazyb0
05/10/2018 1:22 pm
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At my age, it'll take 21 years but you are so right!
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You may not have a camera issue as much as a lighting issue..
Looks like some diffusion and light repositioning will work wonders..
Check the photography forum for some quick n EZ setup tips..
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Die wear on that area is in that direction leaving horizontal die flow lines:  Sometimes these lines are thought to be an doubled eyelid. But now I realize they are not.   This one maybe legit, but I still question it?  I thought it would be an extra eyelid. But I can see that it is not. The better eyelids are a lot more visible:  Some have found coin contact marks and thought they were a doubled eyelid:  But the incuse mark gave it away. A couple of DDO's have a doubled eyelid, that is not thought about as much as the rest of the hub doubling:   Some varieties are just an eyelid: [img[ https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._EYE_AAA.jpgOthers it is a secondary item discovered later:  From Coppercoins: Quote:
A very nice tilted spread shows on this repunched mintmark. The secondary mintmark becomes weaker with die progression. This die also shows a doubled eyelid that is identified as 1927D-1DO-001. I know because Someone else spotted and I passed information to CC. Sometimes doubled eyes are just part of the design:  The ultimate doubled eye is this one:    CoopHome Eyelids Edited by coop
05/10/2018 4:24 pm
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Great education that I received today. Thank you Mr. Coop.
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Some of the images are new others could be as old a 20 years. I have this hug collection of images and when a subject comes up, I post them so all can benefit. When I add a lot of information, I put the " CoopHome" tag at the bottom. When you click on it, you will be taken to a search option. Coophome will take you to the list option. Make sure to check page two for the updated version.So if you were searching for this one you put in " Coophome eye" but enter that in the search box on the left side of the screen. That will probably be one of ones on the list on the search. Same on other subjects. Edited by coop
05/11/2018 4:27 pm
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