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1997 P Quarter - Lots Going On On Obverse? Motto, Eye, Back Of Head?

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 Posted 05/26/2018  12:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Looking forward to y'all's thoughts on this one! I did not find anything in Wexler or varietyvista pertaining to 1997.


1997-P-Quarter---Lots-Going-On-On-Obverse?-Motto,-Eye,-Back-Of-Head?
1997-P-Quarter---Lots-Going-On-On-Obverse?-Motto,-Eye,-Back-Of-Head?
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 Posted 05/26/2018  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are you seeing as a die variety? A die variety is what the sites attribute.

On your coin I see die aging on the motto. Note the outside devices are larger than the inside devices on the motto. This is a common event. all die age and this happens. Even on doubled dies this happens:
1997-P-Quarter---Lots-Going-On-On-Obverse?-Motto,-Eye,-Back-Of-Head?
Note the outside devices on this coin shows the letters taller/wider when they are closer to the outside edge of the coin?

On certain devices on the first image, there is a distortion on a few devices in the center. This is not hub doubling. This is distortion from what maybe MD on those areas. Note the affected areas are below (in height) the normal devices. (another clue for MD) Note on the hub doubled DDO example I posted, the spread is even, [u][not lower on the doubled areas like in the case of MD?

See how the fields are ripply? That is another clue that the die is aging. In the next step the fields will develop die flow lines.
1997-P-Quarter---Lots-Going-On-On-Obverse?-Motto,-Eye,-Back-Of-Head?
As the die ages even more, the flow lines get real deep:
1997-P-Quarter---Lots-Going-On-On-Obverse?-Motto,-Eye,-Back-Of-Head?
At this point the devices loose their shape a lot.

Behind the head, that might be a die clash mark that is aging and getting wrinkly as the die ages?
1997-P-Quarter---Lots-Going-On-On-Obverse?-Motto,-Eye,-Back-Of-Head?
Note where this would show on the eagle?

On the cheek it looks like PSD (Post-Strike-Damage) affected that area. The clue? The area is incuse. (most of the time incuse marks denote coin damage, but not always)

The black spot is a stain.

So on a die variety site, you would not expect to find these listed, as they are coin errors/die events and they don't mention these unless they were a marker. Somethings just happen to coins in the wild and 75% of the coins struck will be from the later die states as that is when the dies break down.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop!! I am still digesting this. When I get a brain I'll be back to this post hopefully with fewer rookie mistakes.
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coin-curious,
You have good eyes to pick up all of those issues.
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 Posted 05/27/2018  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin-curious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks HoboNickelCarver! Trying to learn without being annoying!
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