I think this will be a 2 for 1 as it appears the coat of arms / crest are the same on both coins. Any help with country, date or denomination is greatly appreciated. The fist coin is silver or billon approximately 22mm and 1.4g. The second coin is copper approximately 21mm and 1.0g.
I looked through the Austrian and German States but no match for that coat of arms, similar style of 17th/18th century European. Dutch, Spanish? That lion isfamiliar....hmmmm
Thank you Joseph7420! I would have never found it without your help. Krause lists it under the German State Cleves, but also states it was known as Kleve or Cleve. The copper coin I believe is a 3 Heller KM20. Thanks again!
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