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I got as far as identifying this coin as a Gallienus, but I haven't found one with the arrow on the reverse pointing to the same letter as this one. Also, the two lists of mint marks I have don't show a Z in the exergue. Can I get a more complete ID?

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That's a really cool looking coin. Nice.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
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Thanks. As expected, you hit it. Looks like I need to print out another list of mint marks. Mine don't show a Z for Rome.
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It's not a bad looking coin, but I did use electrolysis on it. Note: I looked at the huge variety of reverses on Gallienus coins at Wildwinds. Someone could make a fun collection collecting Gallienus reverses!
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Okay, one more question. I noticed that all three are listed as RIC 163, though the arrow points differently in relation to the S. Do they change/replace dies during the run of a coin, even at the same mint? But small variations in a coin still get the same RIC number?
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I think that what letter the arrow points to is incidental, just an outcome of the particular die engraver's layout. It doesn't affect the citation/reference.
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So it's not the same die through the entire run of the coin, then?
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Okay, one more question. I noticed that all three are listed as RIC 163, though the arrow points differently in relation to the S. Do they change/replace dies during the run of a coin, even at the same mint? But small variations in a coin still get the same RIC number?

RIC's approach varies from volume to volume, which were written by different authors. It can be frustrating. Several different bust types and mint marks may be subsumed under a single number. In other places, coins with identical descriptions are attributed to two or more mints, listed separately, and can only be distinguished subjectively by style. In the late period, the same coin may be given two numbers because of a change in the imperial college during it's issue. That being said, RIC is what it is and though some volumes are now nearly 100 years old, it remains the standard reference. The Romans struck enormous numbers of coins, employing many dies for each issue. RIC lists more than 1100 numbered types for Gallienus alone, comprising thousands of listed varieties. I couldn't begin to estimate how many dies that number implies.
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Thank you all for so much information. I've got a lot to learn -- and I'm enjoying it all. With many coins I'd be lost without this forum. ( fitting to discuss Roman coins in the Forum.)
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