2017 P Cent Retained Cud. Spike Head. Retained Interior Die Break

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Mrzllewellyn Pillar of the Community United States 1901 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 02:52 am Retained Cud red Spike head yellow Interior die break green Am I seeing things or you guys see it too? Report this Post to the Staff

Fuzzy317 Moderator United States 14463 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 02:58 am 1. That is not a Cud. Cud's are associated/attached to the rim. 2. That is a die crack to the top of the head leading to the rim. Probably had a small die chip which caused some material to fill the crack and form/mis-form the W. 3. The green looks like a lamination issue. Report this Post to the Staff
Mrzllewellyn Pillar of the Community United States 1901 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 03:03 am 1.Look at the you shape Retained Cud connecting to the rim.through the W. 2. I know that it is a die crack 3. They are cracks connected so not a lamination Report this Post to the Staff
chafemasterj Pillar of the Community United States 6514 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 05:48 am I love seeing multiple errors on a single coin. Plus that 2017-P is in fantastic shape. Really nice find. Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507 Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74770 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 1:08 pm That's NOT a Cud. A Cud is attached to the rim. The would be called a Retained Interior Die Break. These are what you call Cuds. cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-2000-2008/ Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
da Swampster Valued Member United States 420 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 2:31 pm I see all of it.. Not a problem from here.. Swamp Report this Post to the Staff
Mrzllewellyn Pillar of the Community United States 1901 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 2:42 pm E and v the Retained Cud is red arrows which is connected to the RIM Report this Post to the Staff
Waynoah83 Pillar of the Community 586 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 5:10 pm Are you saying the Cud is attached to the rim because of the die break? I can't really tell but I'm pretty sure the break would have to start at the rim and bend around back to the rim. I don't see that which would make it an RIDB at the most. I'm not saying it isn't it's just hard to see from the pic. Maybe you could post a pic and trace over the border of the crack that your talking about so we can see what your seeing? Report this Post to the Staff
Mrzllewellyn Pillar of the Community United States 1901 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 7:20 pm This is what I see best I can do drawing with my finger Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 9:17 pm No the outside edge of the die breaks off: A chip is a very small part on the face of the die.A Cud will look like this because of the void on the die: Note the reverse. Where the Cud happened (a part of the die is missing) note the weakness on the reverse of the coin because the metal was missing and there was no resistance there to make the coin strike up from the other die. Edited by coop 06/17/2018 9:17 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Mrzllewellyn Pillar of the Community United States 1901 Posts	Posted 06/17/2018 9:32 pm A Retained Cud is before die breaks all the way correct outline of die cracks from the rim back to rim correct everyone thinks I'm saying Cud I'm saying Retained Cud but ok I was wrong thank you guys for your opinions. Report this Post to the Staff
da Swampster Valued Member United States 420 Posts	Posted 06/18/2018 08:07 am Quote: A Retained Cud is before die breaks all the way correct outline of die cracks from the rim back to rim correct everyone thinks I'm saying Cud I'm saying Retained Cud but ok I was wrong thank you guys for your opinions. No, it isn't ok.. You are not wrong.. There is either such a thing as a Retained Cud or there isn't.. If there is such a thing, which there is, one is present in the photo.. (There is also a not-noted RIDC in the photo..) I believe at least part of the reason new folks (and to a lesser degree nearly everyone) on CCF have difficulty with terminology and definitions is due to the fact the glossary here is rather incomplete in this regard.. I've related a couple missing def's I've come across to admin via the proper channel.. I know there are others missing as well.. It would be most helpful if all the definitions and acronym translations were available on-site rather than needing to be hunted down elsewhere.. This is the only weak spot I noticed in my short time as a member of this community.. I should have brought it to the attention of admin weeks ago in its own entry instead of being mentioned as a tack-on with one of the individual feedbacks.. But I haven't, or didn't.. I'm mentioning it here-and-now though, in what appears to be a perfect thread to do so.. It both relates to the subject matter and people who can help with oversight resolvement will bear witness.. Swamp Edited by da Swampster 06/18/2018 08:09 am Report this Post to the Staff
Mrzllewellyn Pillar of the Community United States 1901 Posts	Posted 06/25/2018 1:14 pm Well got it listed as SKH-1c-2017P-09. http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-ce...010-present/ Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74770 Posts	Posted 06/25/2018 1:17 pm Awesome Mrzllewellyn! Congratulations on the new listing! That's a good one. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Dorado Bedrock of the Community Canada 24885 Posts	Posted 06/25/2018 1:24 pm @ Mrzllewellyn Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/25/2018 1:28 pm Quote: U.S. Coins with "SPIKE HEAD" All "SPIKE HEADS" will have a die crack from the rim into any portion of the bust's head. It shall be limited to die cracks found on the obverse of the coin. The designation SKH will identify this type of die crack. As a spike head, not a retained Die Cud. I finally found the page I wanted to know what the designations were: Quote: A Guide to Numbering System Used On This Site The numbering system is based on individual die anomalies. If a coin has a number of anomalies (X amount of Cuds / X amount of Retained Cuds, etc.), each anomaly will have a separate file number. If a coin has more than one type of anomaly (split die with Cuds or Retained Cuds) that coin will be listed in each anomaly category with reference to the other anomalies seen on that coin. This also applies if the coin has different anomalies on the obverse and reverse faces of that coin. The numbering system does not factor in the mint of origin (mintmark) or the face that the anomaly is present (obverse or reverse). The numbers are consecutive for the amount of anomaly types found in that year for that denomination. The United Sates Civil War tokens are separated into Civil War Patriotic tokens (PT) and Civil War Store Cards (SC) and are so designated in their file number. If the city of origin is known for that token, it will be indicated in parentheses after the date; 1863(NY). If a cross reference number is known (Thurman/Margolis, Fuld, etc.) it will be indicated below the images for that die anomaly. If the coin has more than one type of anomaly, it will be indicated by (See and a reference number) below the images provided for that die anomaly. (Type designator) - (Denomination /mint/country) - (year) - (file number) (Rev. die*) The list of type designators: 1. CU = Cud 2. RCD = Retained Cud 3. IDB = Interior die break 4. RIDB = Retained interior die break 5. SD = Split die 6. SHD = Shattered die. 7. RRDC = Rim to opposing rim die crack 8. UDC = Unusual Die Crack 9. LDB = Lincoln Cent Die Breaks occurring in the word LIBERTY. 10. SKH = "Spike Head". Only occurring on the obverse of U. S and foreign coins. Bold added by me. Mintmark will be used for only USA coins. Country of origin code will be in parenthesis ( ) and will only be used for non-US coins. Country codes used on this site are compiled from this link. * Only the reveres die will be identified with a letter R. Obverse dies will have no identifier. R = Reverse die That Helps us more. Edited by coop 06/25/2018 1:29 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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