1970 D Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC A Very Special Cent With An Extra Motto On The Reverse

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Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 10:01 am I found this 1970 D LMC with what appears to be an extra motto on the reverse. you can barely see the outline of the R and can definitely see the T and the Y in the wrong bays of the reverse. In the upper left hand corner of the Memorial you can also see a clash that is completely in the wrong place when compared to the obverse. At the bottom of the Memorial you can see three clash marks that again, are in the wrong places when compared the obverse. I have many clash cents and this is the first one where every devise on the reverse does not match up with the obverse. @coop, I need some help with an overlay as I don't have the software to do this! Insight please! Report this Post to the Staff

CoinCents Pillar of the Community United States 3656 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 10:06 am Can't see them too well, possibly referring to a die clash of LIBERTY from the obverse? Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 10:11 am Yes, but the clashes are in the wrong places, they do not match with the obverse devises. On all of the clashes I have the Y is in the second bay on the reverse and not the first bay. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 10:20 am http://www.maddieclashes.com/ Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 10:39 am @John1, I had looked at that earlier and borrowed a pic from Mad for a CCL(TI)-1c-1970D-01. the cent that I have and the cent they posted show the Y on my cent in a completely different area. Also theirs shows at the bottom of the memorial one clash mark where mine is showing three raised marks. I do agree that this is a clash of some sort but what would have caused everything on the reverse be so out of line with the obverse? Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 11:17 am Send them your photo and see if they want to add it to their site. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
da Swampster Valued Member United States 420 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 1:12 pm Funny when & how a question asked multiple times gets ignored, isn't it -- not so much.. I don't really know how or why clashes off-set like that at times, Jim.. I mean I could make an educated guess or try to find out doing a look-up, but so can you.. As far as overlays go, Coop has a thread going in this section that at last count I saw by him had over 550 pairs posted.. Do a bit of a scroll-down n you'll find it.. Swamp Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 1:28 pm Often during a clash, just one side of the devices will show stronger clash marks. Some times the dies will turn a bit making two sets of clash marks. (thus the slight rotation of the dies, that were normal before the clash) On this one it looks like two 'Y's on it. But I feel it bounced over to a new location (leaving two 'Y's), or two separate clashes happened and the die rotated a bit between clashes. (so the old die clash and a new die clash was added to the die) But this didn't happen on the coin, it happened on the dies. So as often, I think about how things interconnect with other things. SO I decided to make a rotation of a clash to see what happens during a clash. Starting at 1/4 of a degree, later raising it to full degrees. It took some time. But in case you would to see the results. I'll post them here. (I know they will be boring to some, but other might appreciate them) Edited by coop 06/19/2018 4:25 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 4:49 pm Not boring at all Mr. Coop. Thank you for the education. Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74707 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 4:53 pm Very nice die Clash! Nice find and congratulations! I like those images you made on the rotated Die Clash. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 4:57 pm Thank you! Unusual to say the least. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 4:58 pm When I was looking for images on the 1970-D Most of the examples on the higher grade coins was showing heavy die polishing. So that was one of the troublesome year of heavy die polishing because of clashes. Even the highest graded coins were all worked over by over polishing. http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=2929 Check them out. What started me on the project was wondering if the 'Y we were seeing might have been an 'R'? Still not convinced it is not. If the die moved over a bit that maybe what were are seeing. a Y on the right side and an upside down 'R' on the left. I just have to figure out what angle it is and them move the overlay over a bit see if it is that or not? Edited by coop 06/19/2018 5:01 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 74707 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 5:04 pm You're very welcome Jim! Definitely very unusual. Coop, wow! It seems that the 1970 D Lincoln Memorial Cents had a ton of issues with Die Clashes and Over Polished Die issues as well. I guess the U.S. Mint were having a lot of issues. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/19/2018 5:36 pm Mr. Coop, I have no doubt you'll figure out what happened. The letter left of the Y in the first bay looks an awful lot like a T but that is with coin in hand. Chances are it is either a Y or an R. Edited by Jim0815 06/19/2018 5:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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1970 D LMC A Very Special Cent With An Extra Motto On The Reverse