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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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1630 Charles IV, Duke of Lorraine

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1630 Sigismund III Vasa, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

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t360 your constant input in this thread is simply amazing !
very nice to follow - year per year


Thank you @1c5d7n5m and others! It is a pleasure to post them, and a treat to browse through the interesting pieces others have shared each day.
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The man pictured on this coin has a connection to Ferdinand II on the coin I posted for 1637. If you search the web for these two names you will see that Ferdinand most probably was responsible for the assassination of Albrecht von Wallenstein
3 Kreuzer, 1629

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t360 your constant input in this thread is simply amazing !


yes indeed
And one by one high grade coins!
I would very much like to see that collection in real life!

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2 pence or Turner
ND (1629)
Charles I of Scotland (1625-1649)
CAR.D.G.SCOT.ANG.FRA.ET.HIB.R.
CAROLUS DEI GRATIA SCOTLAND ANGLIAE FRANCIAE ET HIBERNAE REX
Charles, by the grace of God, king of Scotland, England, France and Ireland
NEMO ME IMPUN LACESSIT
NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT
No one provokes me with impunity
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@t360, I'm especially loving those Lorraine and Poland coins

For today I have ... Duchy of Lorraine, 1629 Teston of (former) Duke Francois II, Badonviller mint.

In my post of 1635 I mentioned the unusual circumstances surrounding the brief reign of Francois II's younger son as duke of Lorraine.
As we go back to the 1620s, it gets even more strange in Lorraine.
In 1624, Henry II of Lorraine died without a male heir. His daughter, Nicole then became Duchess, succeeding her father.
But Francois, the younger brother of Henry II protested that the crown must to pass to a male, and in 1625, the Estates General of the duchy ruled in his favor. He took the throne as Duke Francois II in November 1625, and five days later he abdicated to his son Charles, who by coincidence, was married to the aforementioned deposed duchess Nicole (his cousin). Francois, however, retained the right to mint coins.

So ... in the period 1624 to 1632 in Lorraine numismatics, we first have coins with Duchess Nicole and her husband Charles as consort (KM-30, 1624-27), then coins with only Charles IV as duke (KM-45, 1626-32, though Nicole is still his wife/consort, she is not on the coins) as in @t360s 1632 and 1630 posts, AND concurrently, coins with Francois II, Charles' father (KM-35, 1626-31)! I think we will see more of these over the next few days.
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Charles I of Scotland (1625-1649)

NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT

No one provokes me with impunity



I'm glad I never met old Charlie, I would have provoked him with impunity and lost my head.
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1629 -- Kingdom of France, double tournois:
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The man pictured on this coin has a connection to Ferdinand II on the coin I posted for 1637. If you search the web for these two names you will see that Ferdinand most probably was responsible for the assassination of Albrecht von Wallenstein


@giljan, I do not want 1629 to pass without commenting that these kinds of historical connections are intertwined with the numismatic attraction for many of us .
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1629 Gaston, Duke of Orleans

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1629 King Louis XIII of France

Double tournois

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Here is my Double Tournois dated AD 1629:

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@tdziemia Thank you for providing the historical background of Lorraine during this period!

1629 Duchy of Lorraine, (former) Duke Francois II

Portrait touches "A" in obverse legend
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On @tdziemia's example, the portrait touches "M"
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1629 scudo, Duchy of Parma and Piacenza, Piacenza mint
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