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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Gdansk ort : very good portrait ! Interesting to see a very faint but sharp extra trace of necklace below moustache and ear of Sigismund

Certainly my best large Sigismund III coin... I have also wondered how those faint impressions of the collar happened

@t360, nicest dreipolkers I've ever seen. Maybe Swedish standards were much higher than across the Baltic?
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1622 -- Cityof Erfurt, 1/24 thaler:
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Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
Sigismund III VASA (1587-1632), king of Poland and Sweden
3 POLKER (3 Poltorak - 1 Kruzierz - 1/24 thaler)
(16) 22
Poland
.MONE.NO.REG.POLO.
MONETA NOVA REGIS POLONIA
new currency of the kingdom of Poland
SIGIS.3.D.G (3) REX.P.M.D.L.
SIGISMUNDO TERTIO DEI GRATIA REX POLONIA MAGNUS DUX LITHUANIA
Sigismund the third, by the grace of God, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania
Krakow mint
center shield: coat of arms of the king Wasa
mint master: Miko#322;aj Dani#322;owicz, minister of finance (podskarbi koronny).

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DREIPOLKER (1/24 thaler = 1.5 groschen)
Kurfürstentum Brandenburg- Georg Wilhelm (1619-1640)
George William, Elector of Brandenburg (1595-1640)
GE:WI:MAR:BR:S:R:I:EL:P:D:
GEORGIUS WILHELMUS MARCHIO BRANDENBURGIS SACRI ROMANI IMPERII ELECTOR PRINCEPS
George William Margrave of Brandenburg Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire
DIEV & MON DROICT
DIEU & MON DROIT
God and my rights
mint: Königsberg cross on heart: 1619-1639: Ernst Pfaler as warden
KM # 56.3
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3 polker (1 / 24th thaler)
1622
Latvia
Gustav II Adolf of Sweden (1594-1632)
Wasa dynasty
City of Riga, Swedish occupation
King of Poland, Lithuania and Sweden (1611-1632)
MON NOV CIVI RIGE 22
MONETA NOVA CIVITATIS RIGENSIS
new money from the city of Riga
GUST.ADOLF.D.G.REX.S
GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS DEI GRATIA REX SVECLÆ
Gustav Adolf, by the grace of God, king of Sweden
Riga coin

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SIGIS III: D: G: REX.POL.M: D: LI: RVS.PRVS.M:
SIGISMUNDUS TERTIO DEI GRATIA REX POLONIA MAGNUS DUX LITHUANIA RUSSIÆ PRUSSIÆ MASOVIÆ
Sigismund the third, by God's grace, King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania, Russia, Masovia
SAM.LIV.NEC.N.SV (SAS) GOT.FAN: Q: HRI.R
SAMOGITIA LIVONIA NEC NON SUECORUM GOTHORUM VANDALORUMQUE HAEREDITARUS REX
Samogitia and Livonia, as well as the hereditary king of Sweden, Vandals and gutters
Header # 1278, Eraser # 1176
Type # 2
Krakow mint
center shield: coat of arms of the king Wasa
mint master: Miko#322;aj Dani#322;owicz, minister of finance (podskarbi koronny).
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two variants of a Dutch jeton (Harderwijk, 1622) that was discussed in detail here:
http://goccf.com/t/336420&whichpage=3#2888607

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Great jetons! And thank you for the reminder of that interesting discussion.

I have similar to @petrus' last coin, a 1622 ort of Sigismund III, Bydgoszcz mint, Shatalin BD22-50. It is hard to imagine how many of these 1622 orts must have been struck, as just at WCN 100 of these have sold in the last 12 months .
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The city of Besançon minted coins from 1526-1673. All coins bore the name of Charles V.


Is that because the Hapsburgs only got uglier with each generation?
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@1c5--I spent a night in Harderwijk last year!

Here is a Polish 3 Polker dated AD 1622:

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I spent a night in Harderwijk last year!


how nice Spence ! I hope that you had good memories from that small old town.

Harderwijk (a harbor town on the Zuiderzee) flourished like most towns in the Netherlands during the 17th century ("the Golden century"). All towns were connected (directly or indirectly) to the North Sea or Zuiderzee (now closed). There was intense trade between Dutch towns and various countries in North & Eastern Europe. Trade occurred via a special type of ship invented by the Dutch: the flute.. This ship was fast and could be operated by less crew per tonne than the competing ships from French, Flemish or English competitors; so the Dutch had the lion share of the bulk transport over the North and East Seas. Tonnage was carefully registered by the toll point in the Danish Sond.

One of the most important goods needed in the densely populated Netherlands was grain, Amsterdam became the main port for grain trade in Europe. Dutch silver, examples shown below, were carried in massive quantities to Poland, Baltic States and Sweden, in order to buy grain.

The two examples are "Dutch Rijksdaalders" from Zeeland, 1622, Delmonte 641 produced only for international trade
as such they represent early examples of Trade dollars

I picked them up from a recent auction in ..... Poland !

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Three specimens of the Ort from Poland, 1622

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Two specimens of the 3 Groschen 1622.
One with a nice patina.

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One of my 3 Polker from 1622

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1622 K-B Hungarian Denar under Gabor Bethlen;Huszar Transylvania 455,Unger 272a,KM# 120.How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Fifth-Edition!-Ended-At-1461-Waiting-On-1460-C.-E.-A.-H.-864
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