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Pillar of the Community
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06/27/2018 07:46 am
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@Numismat This coin is a replica of those VAM varieties. The big photographs just make you feel comfortable about it. You should be more up to date with the forgeries, which circulate nowadays. As said in my previous post, the Chinese manufacturing has improved a lot. IT IS A FAKE ! Edited by coinworldtv
06/27/2018 09:18 am
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It is a very good replication process, probably a pressure cast.
Similar to the AUTO DOLLAR, which has been posted in this forum recently.
Edited by coinworldtv
06/27/2018 09:24 am
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I think it would be a better discussion if moderators moved this to the US coins forum where the more knowledgeable people for this type are. I won't comment on authenticity since I'm not as familiar with US coins as others, but wanted to point out that it matches a known variety. Edited by Numismat
06/27/2018 09:30 am
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Pillar of the Community
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By the way, owning this coin in the US might be illegal, unless you mark it with the unpopular "COPY" countermark.
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Pillar of the Community
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Again, here the low-budget buyer re-seller is being targeted.
The seller got this coin probably for little more than the melt price, he sells it for $10 more, the collector thinks, that it is worth another $10-$20 more.
These coins are being massively produced and injected slowly by thousands into the market.
It destroys the hobby as such coins tend to lower prices and spread dissatisfaction among the collectors, who often stop collecting after suffering financial damages.
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Pillar of the Community
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On a completely unrelated note, I did a google images search for keywords: "pressure cast" coin The results were a handful of ancients from other sites and then all the others being more modern coins from coincommunity threads. That seems really odd does it not?  Edited by Numismat
06/27/2018 12:55 pm
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The only way this coin is a fake is if the one pictured is not the one shipped.
I see no evidence whatsoever - and fully know how difficult it is for any counterfeit manufacturing effort to so exactly duplicate known die cracks and gouges - making me think it isn't an original coin. Contemplate, for a moment, the actual physical dimensions of a die crack (hint, prominent ones are around 0.03", 0.08mm from my measurements), and how you might possibly duplicate it perfectly on a copied die.
By the way, that "inexperienced" seller has sixteen thousand Feedbacks.
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By the way, that "inexperienced" seller has sixteen thousand Feedbacks. I noticed that too. |
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You should be more up to date with the forgeries, which circulate nowadays. Maybe you should be less "up to date"  because that coin looks fine to me. |
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Hardly an expert on these but if this is a forgery, and it may very well be, then it's an incredible looking one. I wouldn't mind owning such an excellent forgery (as long as it is really a forgery) for studying purposes and as a novelty.
You mentioned this was a pressure cast but it looks like strike to me. I've never seen a Chinese cast have that level of accurate detail.
I just noticed that the seller is Sloveniacoins. I know this seller very well and have purchased several thousand dollars worth of world material from him. He is top notch in my book.
As a side note, I wouldn't necessarily use the number of feedback to gage how knowledgeable a seller is (though it is a great indicator) as I have received forgeries from very highly rated sellers who claimed to "not know" the coin was a fake due to them not dealing with coins from the particular country.
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06/27/2018 12:52 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Instead of claiming this coin is a fake with no proof, please explain to us why you think it's fake, and how to detect such fakes. I've been collecting Morgan dollars for a while, and if this is not legitimate, it must be an expert counterfeit. I highly doubt it's fake. Edited by SilverDollar2017
06/27/2018 1:11 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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You have got to be kidding me with this post. Unbelievable...
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As the image loaded ... I noticed die cracks around the outer top side of the lettering on the obverse. My first thoughts were ... "maybe this isn't a fake or they are getting really good"
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That would really be cool if this has the same Weight Tolerance like the real one. If this was pressure cast, then it requires the forge die to duplicate all the imperfection as in die cracks, thickness of metal, level of denticles and have the same reeding. The cost to produce and material in silver wouldn't be beneficial to the counterfeiters, unless its a rare date, or they have discover a method to duplicate the weight and sound. I would have give a ring test for common date Morgans, since its not in MS grade. |
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