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Friends;

A Denarius is a days pay for a roman soldier. We all hear that. And in later years of Rome you get a ton of Denarius coins and very few of the Bronze to where the bronze coins are more sought after. Just looking at one of the many classic Claudius I AS coins you see so often it got me wondering: When did they start producing so many denarius coins as for Claudius, you get a ton of large bronze and very few of the silver denarius. Must have flipped at some point the ratio.
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1) Tiberius produced an insane number of the "tribute penny" denarii. That supply likely filled demand for a good long while, not to mention the earlier coins as well.

2) Trajan reformed the currency and recalled ALL of the old denarii to be melted and replaced with his own. I think Antony's legionary denarii slipped through, as their silver content was the lowest seen until the 190s.

3) Inflation hadn't really hit hard until Nero's reforms, so an As was still good money in the time of Claudius. Not as much need for $100 bills when a $5 will go a long way!
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 Posted 07/07/2018  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Claudius is not the only ruler for whom denarii are scarce. Denarii of Caligula are also difficult to come by. Denarii are available for both of these rulers but one must be prepared to pay for them. There are plenty of theories as to why these denarii are scarce but the truth is we shall never know.

One of these theories is (as Finn states above) that Tiberius minted so many denarii that subsequent emperors Caligula and Claudius did not have to mint very many in order to keep the empire running. The monetary reform of Nero is another popular theory. Nero needed money badly. He changes the denarii in 2 ways: he reduced the overall weight and he reduced the fineness of the silver. According to Gresham's law bad money drives out the good. That is, people hoarded the purer and heavier silver pieces but widely spent the lesser value denarii. Therefore the denarii of Caligula and Claudius seemed to disappear. Of course the problem with this argument is that there are still many denarii of Tiberius around, so why were these not driven out of circulation. It is possible that Tiberius minted so many denarii that even Nero's reforms could not completely drive them out of circulation.
This is however all speculation for as I said above we will never know the true answer.

If you are looking for denarii of Nero try finding the pre-reform denarii. Even some post reform denarii of Nero are scarce to rare, but the pre reform denarii of Nero are much more rare.
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A broad 'flip point' would be in the time of the Severan Dynasty.

Orfew and Finn235 have explained why the silver of some the earlier Emperors happens to be scarce.

It was in the era of the Severan Dynasty that the collapse of the Empire started to accelerate. It was in this period that the Empire was increasingly at war, and the soldiers had to be paid. Lots of money was needed. To help to meet the money supply, the denarius was increasingly debased.

It was only about 10 - 15 years after that, and the large Roman bronze and orichalcum coins started to get too expensive to produce, where the intrinsic value in the coin approaches it's buying power. By the time of Gallienus, large brass / bronze coins had ceased to circulate, and the 'silver' coins had only a silver wash covering them.

The period Septimius Severus to Gallienus covers a period of about 50 years, and as such, suggests great economic and social instability during that time.
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Julio Claudian silver is scarce for one obvious reason.
Nero debased the silver to 90% in the later part of his reign.
He probably did it for economics (despite a booming economy)
but it has the added benefits of making the struck silver very durable in comparison to the nearly pure metal of earlier years.
Some believe that the plentiful supply of the Augustus denarius is due to a "Kennedy" effect.
We oldsters remember growing up in a world where the Kennedy silver half dollar was to be found in bureau drawers everywhere
People wouldn't spend the things for sentimental reasons.
The earlier Roman denarius disappeared because people were not stupid in Rome
Earlier issues got melted down and reissued alloyed down to 90%
Then 80
70 60 50 etc
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Very kind of everyone to answer and quite impressive depth to the answers! Certainly makes sense as to the scarcity of the Claudius denarius. Thanks again!
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