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I'm considering the Seated Liberty half below.
I have a few questions:
1. What grade would you assign the reverse?
2. Since it's in a PCGS slab, with a clean grade and there is no mention of any environmental damage or anything, what do you think of the darker spots near the eagle on the reverse?
3. Do you think the darker spots detract from the grade?

Seated-Liberty-Half---CC

Thanks for any feedback.
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3. Do you think the darker spots detract from the grade?


They're usually a negative for eye appeal and very likely were factored into the grade they gave it
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The really dark spot to the right of the wing looks like a permanent marker spot. Not sure what it is but other than that one spot there's nothing else I would call damage. It's tough to grade one side of a coin. This one looks moderate to heavy wear and what was likely a sub-par strike to begin with. The reverse looks to be around Fine-12 or VG+.
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with basebal21

I would guess that on a more mid grade example like this that the dark splotchy areas are probably less penalizing than if on an AU+ example.

However I could be incorrect, but I do find this example (well the reverse) to be quite nice for what it is.
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I actually kind of like the look of this one.
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Does have a more "natural" look to it, I'd toss an F-12-15 with an old cleaning perhaps that doesn't detract.
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I would guess that on a more mid grade example like this that the dark splotchy areas are probably less penalizing than if on an AU+ example.


That's been my observation. The higher the grade the more penalizing something can be even to the point of causing a details grade from something that would be acceptable on a lower graded coin.
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I'd say it's around F12. The dark toning spots do not bother me and would not alter my assigned grade either way.

I would imagine the coin looks pretty nice in hand.
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The dark toning doesn't detract very much although it looks unnatural. What bothers me more is why is the eagle and motto so white and shiny? It looks like a very poor clean and retone to me.
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What bothers me more is why is the eagle and motto so white and shiny?


Circulation Cam with lighting making something look shiny that isn't
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i see a lot of attractive circulation cameo. this is definitely not one of them.
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i see a lot of attractive circulation cameo. this is definitely not one of them.


Yes it is
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I see no evidence of environmental damage from the image provided, just a nice crusty honest coin. I kind of like it.

That said, if it bothers you even a little I would pass and wait for another. It needs to please you, not us.
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As for the grade, F12 sounds about right.

There appears to be some green substance top half of the coin. Perhaps verdigris was cleaned off long time ago? PVC?
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Nice coin with original surfaces. Reverse looks F-12. I like it.


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i see a lot of attractive circulation cameo. this is definitely not one of them.


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Having an obverse photo would help in the grading. Reverse does look F-12. The coin does not appear to be cleaned. Not the nicest looking coin but if you like it and the price is right it's your call.
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