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1877 Trade Dollar Fake Or Real?

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 Posted 08/15/2018  9:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vn00807352 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone, can someone please help me identify my coins is real or fake? Thank so much

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 Posted 08/15/2018  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@vn00807352, first welcome to CCF. Second, it is always nice to have the diameter and weight to help answer this question. While I am not an expert on these, I do note that the mintmark seems small, at least compared to the one here:

https://www.NGCcoin.com/coin-explor...coinid-17046

That would make me nervous, but I'm sure more qualified folks will weigh in with better opinions about real vs. fake.
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 Posted 08/15/2018  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a 1877 mini S that this appears to be. For this date the mint marks came in three sizes large, medium or small. The coin looks genuine. It has a type 2 obverse and reverse. The stars and denticles are correct and the details look good. The coin does appear to have an old cleaning. A lot of counterfeits are cleaned to hide cast bumps and imperfections. If you check the weight, I would be surprised if it was not correct.
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Looks real, and it appears someone took a wire brush to it to clean it, which is a shame because it is in excellent shape otherwise.

If you are going to handle coins, only touch the rims, oil from your fingers can leave permanent marks on the coin, that might not show up for a year, but become permanent stains.
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to the Community!

I feel that it is real, but agree it is harshly cleaned.
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First, vn00807352. Glad to have you here!

Second, this is a teachable moment for me, too. When I looked at the subject coin, I immediately thought counterfeit based on the bubbling around the rim. So, is this common on the Trade dollar or other older silver?
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When I looked at the subject coin, I immediately thought counterfeit based on the bubbling around the rim. So, is this common on the Trade dollar or other older silver?


Trade dollars do not typically have bubbling. When I orginally looked at the coin the bumps appeared to be from displaced metal. There are some bumps that could be a concern around the date and legs, and the reason for the harsh cleaning is to hide the cast bumps. I would like to know the weight on the coin.
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For this date the mint marks came in three sizes large, medium or small.


Good to know--thanks @S83!
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Spence,

I have to make a correction on the 77s there were only two size mint marks mini and large.

Below are the different size S mint marks per date according to Breen.

73 S - one size
74 S - mini, med, Lg
75 S - mini, Lg
76 S - mini, Lg
78 S - med, Lg

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Any chance we could see close-ups of the bubbling?



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