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What Kind Of Damage Are Those? (Lmc)

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*** Edited by Staff to Add Year / Mintmark / Denomination to Title. Titles are Important! ***

What-Kind-Of-Damage-Are-Those?-Lmcthose are some kind of die cut or die crack
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Those aren't Die Clashes. These are called Pre Die Break Depressions.
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Pre Die Break Depressions


Hadn't heard this term before. I was more thinking that they were the start of the die chips we affectionately call "hornets nests".

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@Spence - Wexler's is where I learned that terminology (Pre Die Break Depressions). The beginning of a Die Chip. Check out the DDR listing in Particular the ones for the Homestead Quarter and you will see how he describes it for the roof line impressions. I brought it up to coop once on a post a long time ago and he said basically "Say what?"

Then once the Chip has fully developed you have the "Hornet's Nest" you know I still haven't found one of those.
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Okay thanks. Just to be super-clear, the depressions are in the die, correct? That would cause there to be a slight bulge on the resulting coins, such as shown in the OP's images. However, since no metal has really flaked off of the die, we don't call it a die chip. Just want to make sure that I understand...
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That is the way I understand it from Wexler's site.
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this coin is collectible and get a premium?
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Yep, that's how I learned it too. I got that term from John Wexler's site doubleddie.com.

For an example:


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2015-P 25¢ NE WDDR-034

Description: Doubling shows along the lower left side of window R2.

Die Markers: Obverse: None significant. Reverse: Pre-die break depressions can be found above the left roof and the right roof.

Submitted By: Brian Ribar

Cross References: None known
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loquixx... "this coin is collectible and get a premium?"

What year and mint-of-origin is the cent? Without further information, I'd say it's collectible only if you like what you have in-hand. I don't think you'd get a premium for it.
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is from 1998
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The overlay should be of the same/close year of designs. This one is a 1998:
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Note the difference in the location of the 'TY' on LIBERTY?
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Thus the area in question is a die chip.
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