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This post is all about some of the 1881 Canadian large cents that didn't make the variety section in the back of the 2011 65th edition of Charlton coin book on Canadian coins. This book in my opinion was a mile stone for collectors interested in collecting Canadian large cent varieties, but it had its draw backs as well we were told that there was only room for 80 varieties that could be used in this section of the book as space was limited. Some tuff decisions had to be made by the group all the coins selected for the book at the time were thought to be the most saught after and hardest to find at the time of publishing this book making it impossible to add all the other variety finds by collectors. The book turned out to be a big hit with collectors and I think attracted more Canadian large cent collectors to variety collecting. I have a few 1881's that I will show that I have that never made the cut for the variety section and I'm sure there are others. The first one is a Reverse variety on the date the last 1 is DP or a die clash.   The second is a double spur on the N in Regina  My third one is another type of DDO the doubling on Canada and Victoria are doubled at the bottom of the letters and Regina is doubled at the top of the letters.   I have a few others but I would like to see some others that collectors have in there collections so feel free to post your finds. I remember on the old Canadian Copper Site about someone and I think it might have been Hounddog Bill who had posted a coin I have only seen once, it was a reverse bead die clash but at the top of the 1881 I have never seen another like it. Please share your finds Thank you. Happy Hunting Here a better picture of the double surif N in Regina  Edited by papeldog
08/22/2018 1:06 pm
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And here are a few more: The first is a R/P'd C in Canada The 2nd is a micro D, but there is a die chip in the "D" in Canada The 3rd is a D/P'd Regina with also a large D/C The 4th & 5th are almost "round the clocks" but the R/P's and offsets are in different directions from the "round-the-clock" in the book      Edited by okiecoiner
08/22/2018 3:42 pm
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That was a great read! Thank you for sharing this! I've learned something new from it.  Errers and Varietys.
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Those are some nice 81's. Most of the 1881-H obverses have something interesting on them. It's a great date to collect! Here's one 1881-H obverse die that has doubling on GRATIA and a couple of die cracks for markers on later states. One die crack through the C of CANADA and another through the A of GRATIA.    |
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This is one I found several years ago, a double dated date. I'm not sure if this is the coin that Jack Griffin wrote about in his books and literature's on Canadian large cents but he mentioned a double dated 1 in the first 1 in 1881. This one is doubled slightly but the whole date is doubled its the only one I have like it, do others have one with a doubled first I or the complete date?  |
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I will check my substantial hoard of '81's. I never look for R/P'd dates, because there's so much on the Obv & Rev to check for.
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This coin is another round the clock doubling on the obverse but all letters are doubled at the bottom except for the first 3 letters in Canada are doubled at the top of the letters. It also has a die crack in Canada at the bottom ADA, and Victoria at the top VICT-RIA.    |
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nice coins!
when I get the chance I will look through my 81's and see if I can find anything
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OK, papeldog, I looked at 70 raw 1881's that I don't have in holders .. just in pill bottles. I found quite a few with doubled (R/P'd) digits, mostly with the 8's (maybe 10). There were 3-4 had the first 1 slightly punched and I found 2 with the final 1 R/P'd with a very large offset R/L. I have another 125 of them in holders in albums, but I don't feel like removing them and looking under the scope. Suffice to say, the repunching of the date digits must have been pretty common for me to find that many in just 70 coins. When I get a chance, I'll try to post a micro-shot of the R/Ping of the final 1 in the date with a nice offset. And here it is at 60x through the microscope.  They must have polished off the underpunch that came off the serifs. As I said, I have two of them and the underpunch is definitely raised up from the field. Or maybe it's just Die Deterioration, but that should show off the serifs as well .. weird! The posts that follow explain what the "mark" actually is, in all probability Edited by okiecoiner
08/25/2018 08:39 am
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Okie, I think the one you pictured above may be a clash mark of the front of the Queen's neck. I looked through about 40 coins and found 3 with a mark like that. Two of them looked just like yours. One had the clash mark heavier and extended above and below the one. I'll try to get a photo of it later today and post it.
I hadn't looked at the dates much on my 1881's until you started this thread papeldog. Thanks for making me take a closer look at them.
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Yes, when I first looked at it, I thought a repunch. Then I saw nothing on the top and bottom serifs, so no R/P. A clash sounds about right, but I couldn't find a straight vertical section on the Obv that matched what I see on the "1". Good eyes and investigation. They must have polished out the rest of the clash outside the immediate vicinity of the "1", just like they have done for R/P's in other years and locations.
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08/25/2018 08:38 am
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I think I do remember on Dan's old site that he had mentioned something about this being a die clash on the last 1 in the date?
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Here are two of the three coins I found with clashes through the 1. The first one actually shows much more clash above and below the 1 when viewed through the microscope. I should have had my light different when I photographed it. The clashes are in a slightly different location on these two which will help (with other markers) identify these two dies.   |
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Yes, Okie and Phil I know what you mean when trying to capture the picture of this. I only have a scanner as my photo skills are nil.
I have a couple of these as well and the one I posted at the beginning of this trend has a double clash in front of the 1 and on top of the 1.
Its a MS-62 coin, but I can't capture it on my scanner it shows up good in hand under a 10 power loupe.
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