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1838 Capped Bust Quarter - Drilled And Filled

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Looks like this one had a hole drilled in it and then later had that hole inexpertly filled. Considering the relative rarity of this date ...

Does this coin have any value? I think I would have (probably somewhat generously) given it a VF-30 sans hole, which would have made it worth a couple hundred, but alas it is "avec hole".

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 Posted 07/09/2008  03:15 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that a hole in any coin instantly takes the grade down to AG but I'm not 100% sure.

However a collector would still pay a premium for it considering it's rarity and relatively good condition.
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 Posted 07/09/2008  04:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I posted a coin today too with a hole in it, but not filled. Someone told me once that there are experts who can fill these in and it restores most of the grade as long as it is done in the right metals and is well done. Does that sound a little fishy?
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also, doesn't coinhop have a little better a chance at least at some value since the wholed part isn't interfering with an major areas of the coin? I mean it's not through any letters or the middle of the face. I mean to me this coin doesn't look so bad......depending on what it got filled with.
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not sure if it is ok to post a link to this site so I just pasted in what it said:

For years, a coin with a hole was looked upon with disfavor by U.S. collectors. As recently as 10 years ago, dealers sometimes had difficulty selling them for 10 per cent of their catalog value.

No one knows for certain why many of the earlier coins of the United States were holed. They couldn't all be worn as charms on a necklace or bracelet. Some may have been used as makeshift teething rings; a holed dollar of the 1790s was found with what appear to be nicks such as might have been left as a result of use by many teething babies.

Holing of dollars and quarters and halves and large cents appears to have been fairly widespread as late as 1876. One collector has found a quarter, a half dollar and a Trade dollar of that year, 1876, each with a neat hole at the top of the obverse. And all were in nearly Extremely Fine condition. Could these holes have been drilled recently? It hardly appears likely, since the catalog value of the three is close to $50, and not many persons tamper with that much value, even for the girl friend's bangle bracelet.

This is not to say that drilling holes in coins stopped abruptly in 1876; late-date Indian cents, a Buffalo nickel and a Walking Liberty half dollar have been encountered so holed.

Do holed coins have a future? It would appear that the early United States specimens have a very bright future. Whereas the io per cent of catalog was the old rule of thumb, many dealers today are asking-and getting-as much as 10 per cent of catalog value.

In Europe today, an ancient Roman or Greek coin with a hole is often displayed alongside those which are completely sound. And the price asked is exactly the same with hole or without.

Early American coins with holes have had a steady increase in value because there simply aren't enough fine, sound coins to go around. When collectors of United States coins could be counted in the hundreds or low thousands, there were enough coins for all. Today, although the exact figure is anybody's guess, the number of serious coin collectors in this country is estimated to be well into the hundreds of thousands.

While it might be a wonderful state of affairs if every collector who wanted a prime specimen of, say, a 1795 half dollar could get it, it just can't be done today. So the early half with a hole is being looked upon with more and more favor.

In 1800, the United States Mint reported that it turned out 11,622 Half Eagles-$5 gold pieces. How many have survived is not known. Its catalog value today ranges from $175 in Fine condition to $375 in Uncirculated.

How much would such a coin, in Extremely Fine condition but with a small neat hole in it, be worth? Under the old schedule, it would be valued at about $25- But don't be surprised that that early gold piece, even with a hole, is valued by its present owner at more than $150. And he doesn't want to sell it.

The moral of all this is:

1. Don't carry a potentially valuable coin as a pocket piece.

2. Avoid dropping that 1797 silver dollar on the tile floor.

3. Holes in classic American coins aren't as damaging as they used to be.
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Malissa,
Interesting article, but it must be pretty darn old judging by the prices quoted. I'd sure like to purchase an uncirculated 1800 5-dollar gold piece for $375! These coins currently list for well over $10,000 in MS-60.

I wonder if any forum dealers might weigh in on the effect that a hole would have on the current retail value of collector coins?
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lol I didn't realize it was that old!
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Malissadawn,

Here's an article (that's a little more recent ) that seems to support your idea about placement of the hole having some effect on the desirability. Unfortunately it also says that when the coins are plugged (the new term I just learned for coins that have filled holes), they may be less desirable than a holed version.

But seeing things like this does make you wish you could see what travels this coin has experienced. Who wore it around their neck, on their belt, or elsewhere? Who then decided it would be worth more with a little silver stuffed back into it? Questions that will remain unanswered ...
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A lot of plug jobs look horrible but I've seen some where you couldn't tell that it was holed. Someone spent a lot of time and money to repair it that they even filled in the missing part of the letter. The coin is still going to be considered damaged but I think that since it's not as noticeable it doesn't knock it down so much since it improves eyes appeal.
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I personally would be kinda peeved if I bought a coin and it was "expertly" plugged and I didn't know until the coin was in hand.....or a month later for that matter

Coins tell a story...and their holes are part of that. There really is no point in filling a hole except to increase the grade of a coin. It'd still be technically "damaged"...so who would want to pay more for it?

I really can't see any difference in that then in painted ASEs
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I think it is okay to get antique objects or coins repaired as long as it is noted when selling. Being an antique dealer, repair of items happens quite often. Some are done so expertly that you would not recognize the repair. But it should be noted on the item. I have purchased items later to find repairs. I would never do business with them again.
So repairs are okay as long as any subsequent buyers are so informed.
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