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Belgium
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recent acquisition from an auction; the piece was described as "MISCELLANEOUS NOT ATTRIBUTED JETONS AND TOKENS n.d." Diameter : 28 mm Orientation dies : 6 h. Weight : 6,42 g. Obverse: unknown coat-of-arms with cross, lion and crecent moon, no legend  Reverse: HORORES FUGAMUS IN UMBRIS mintmaster mark flower center: three stars above a crescent moon  no idea what it could be, where it was minted and when has anyone ever seen a similar piece?n. I can't find anything on internet thank you in advance for your help |
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Rest in Peace
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Interesting token, I believe from working the lingo to be an Honorium token... but for what or who is the question. The language isn't Latin, possibly Italian or a Spanish dialect. Umbra either a place in Italy or "in memory" in Latin. Fugamas may be a person or meaning in Spanish of "fuga mas" which seems to mean a ballad or tome idolizing someone. https://www.britannica.com/place/UmbriaMy initial thought was the burial coin, put over the eyes at death? I'm probably all wet, but the only other was the lion, Castille? Edited by Crazyb0
09/01/2018 3:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Crescent moon and stars is Islamic. Lion is treading on a crescent moon. Perhaps commemorating some victor or victory over islam?
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@Crazyb0 and @Arkie thanks for great ideas. Perhaps most of the legend may be Latin, but I am not an expert, the little Latin I learned is long forgotten according to https://www.wordsense.eufugamus is a conjugation of fugo; (first-person plural present active indicative) fugo (Latin) means "I chase away, put to flight, drive into exile" in umbris means "into the shadows" "we chase away . into the shadows" Edited by 1c5d7n5m
09/01/2018 6:28 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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The reverse is similar to some Roman provincial coins 100BC - 200CE although I assume that the Latin legend would be different.
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Belgium
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The reverse is similar to some Roman provincial coins 100BC - 200CE interesting! it would be great to see (the link to) an example the symbols on the reverse seem very old, perhaps older than the Roman Empire hard to put a date on this jeton - the die shape is too regular for a hand made piece; perhaps 18th century, but it could be younger than that |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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amazing example looking on the internet I came across a publication you may find interesting "Astronomical symbols on of the Roman Republic" by ROVITHIS-LIVANIOU and ROVITHIS from the Faculty of Physics, Athens University here is the link http://www.astro.ro/~roaj/2014_2/17-LivRovc.pdf |
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Belgium
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has anyone information on the two orders of the crescent?
Ordre du Croissant of medieval France
Knights of the Order of the Crescent of the Ottoman Empire
it could be a link to this token
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Pillar of the Community
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I think the floriate helmet appears as a design on element on daalders/thalers of the early to mid-16th century?
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I think the floriate helmet appears as a design on element on daalders/thalers of the early to mid-16th century? correct and on jetons from the Southern Netherlands it was still common practice later, e.g. examples in Dugniolle online #4111, 4161, 4233, 4276, 4288 and many others from the mid 17th century http://www.dugniolle.com/dugniolle4101-4200.htmlthe mint mark (enlarged below) points in the direction of Dordrecht, from the Northern Provinces  both features could have connected this jeton to the Dugniolle or Feuardent inventories made in the 19th century - but it isn't (as far as I can judge) Edited by 1c5d7n5m
09/05/2018 6:09 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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my 500th post should contain at least a minor clue  The reverse (crescent moon) makes me think that perhaps it is a token of the French Ordre du Croissant (Order of the Crescent) this order was founded (for the second time) in 1448 by Rene d'Anjou, king of Sicily; although officially terminated by the Pope in 1480, the order existed underground afterwards; since the beginning of the 20th century the order got renewed interest https://www.ordreducroissant.fr/the coat-of-arms on the obverse is similar to that of some of the 15th century members of the order, especially Andre de Haraucourt  here is the link of a nice heraldry book from the early 1900's when the interest in the order revived http://www.heraldique-blasons-armoi...oissant.htmlmy guess is that this jeton dates from the same period, so much younger than I originally thought it would be nice to learn more about the jeton and see a second survivor of this type if known to anyone |
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my 500th post should contain at least a minor clue Congratulations!  |
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Congrats on 500!!!  |
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