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Identification Help: Thick Ae Or Billon Coin, Maybe Indian Or Arabic?

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 Posted 09/04/2018  8:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Usually when I buy unidentified coins the seller has at least SOMETHING to offer, but in this case, nada, zip, zilch, zero.

My best guess is that this is Indian or Arabic, possibly 11th to 13th century AD. The writing looks different from one side to the other. With no information on size or weight, I can only speculate that based on the appearance in the photos it is bronze or billon. The metal has the thick appearance seen in Kushan coins and surfaces with the little fissures running through around the edges.

Let's see who can pull a rabbit out of their hat for this one...


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 Posted 09/04/2018  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the first photo I can read:
[al-d]unya wa [al-din]/
abu'l-muzaffar/
al-sultan

The writing on the other side looks different because it isn't writing at all! If you rotate the image 90 degrees anticlockwise, it turns out to be a portion of the stylized Rajput horseman as found on many bull-and-horseman type jitals. The flan is much narrower than the dies so on either side, only a portion of the design shows.

If we flesh out the legend in the first image, the most likely fit is shams al-dunya wa al-din abu'i-muzaffar Iltutmish al-sultan or similar.

Sultans of Dehli, Iltutmish, 1211-1235, AE Jital, Dehli type, cf. Tye 384; Goron & Goenka D50; Deyell 322.

Not 100% but likely, I think.

For those wondering, the modern city is spelled 'Delhi' but the old Arabic-Persian spelling is Dehli.
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09/04/2018 10:17 pm
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Oh! You're right, it does look a bit like the bull and horseman type, although on a much thicker planchet and more "stylized?" It is as though the complete design was too large for the planchet.

So it's both Indian and Arabic at once, I suppose from India under Mamluk rule, although my knowledge of the history around that era is poor.

I did Google and found that some coins have Devanagari script on the horseman side but some do not have writing at all.

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