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Here is my confusion..... In my coin book there are extra grading terms I haven't heard of and I can't figure out the grade on this. I am positive that it's ms65 but on my book there are some extra grades.... -65FBL and -65CAM. I don't know how to work with that. I know that FBL is full bell lines but dont know if mine has that or not. and I don't know at all what cameo is. please help. thanks malissa   |
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United States
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Cameo refers to the contrast between the devices or images of the coin to the fields or backgrounds of the coin. Fields are generally dark compared to lighter devices. Generally seen in Proof coins -- Franklin proofs are often cameo. DC is deep cameo, meaning great contrast.
Full bell lines refers to the horizontal lines that can be seen at the bottom portion of the bell. I am not a Franklin expert but it looks like your coin is close but not quite FBL.
Based on the photo, I don't think the coin would grade out as CAM or as FBL. It is a beautiful Franklin, looks like it's proof, so likely PF65 rather than MS65.
Edited by groganking
07/11/2008 11:10 pm
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so what did you look at to come to the conclusion that it would be proof 65 instead of ms65?
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United States
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A proof coin is struck more boldly than a regular issue coin, generally -- proofs are made by a different process. There are also usually diagnostic markings for proof coins that will distinguish them. One look at your coin says it is a proof-like strike. A Franklin expert could tell you for sure. By the way, your avatar is a nice example of a CAM proof coin -- see the contrasts between the devices and the fields.
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thank you for the information but now I have more of a problem because there is no listing for value of a proof in my book. I was assuming they just didnt make any.
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Along the same lines of discussion, why is it that in the Franklin series there seem to be more proof coins than MS coins that are slabbed and floating around?
I have a 1951 Franklin that I need to get photographed and placed in my Photobucket so it can be checked out for grading purposes. It appears to be AU at least, and the strange thing is I don't know how I came about getting it in my collection! It just appeared one day.
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Proof no
But about MS-63 no full bell line its Philly MS Franklin not a Proof
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so how exactly would I price this then because ms60 is $7 yet ms65 is 160. So if it were an ms63 then what would the value be, though to be honest I'd still stick with ms65 personally. Maybe I should re-photograph this one to get rid of the bluriness in the first shot.
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A number of dates are elusive, however, in the higher mint-state grades, especially with fully defined "bell lines" near the Liberty Bell's bottom. Although the relatively low mintage 1949-D and 1950-D issues are considered "key" dates in the series, some coins with higher mintages, while common in lower grades, also command impressive premiums in Mint State-65 and above. These coins routinely came with weak strikes, and the scarcity of "gems" is compounded by the fact that few were carefully saved. Dates in this category include 1960-D, 1961-P and D and 1962-P and D.
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Still looking for thoughts on how to assign a value to this coin. The book isn't listing any proof coins made, so it cant be pr65 can it? yet I am sure it deserves it's 65 grade. So what I do know, it isn't cameo,it isn't proof & it isn't full bell lines. The value in my book says ms65 $160. Is this the value I should use?
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Hi Malissa, I agree with Amac, this looks like a nice, lustrous MS coin. It just doesn't have the chromium-like glitter of a Franklin proof, IMO. The bell lines are incomplete near the crack so it's not FBL, but otherwise the coin is nicely struck and marks are few. I think it has a shot at a MS-65 grade. According to my July 2008 copy of Coin Market (from Numismatic News) this date has a retail value of $145 in MS-65, but only $9.20 in MS-63. Obviously few examples make the MS-65 cut. It might just be worth submitting this to PCGS for grading. You certainly won't be able to get anywhere near that $145 unless it is in a top TPG slab with that 65 grade. FYI, with FBL the MS-65 value is shown as $1850! Malissa, you might want to consider a subscription to Numismatic News or Coin World. Both weekly newspapers provide monthly price guides for US coins. They're not extremely accurate but they do give you a good idea of general value for every regular issue US coin, as well as mint sets, proof sets, and commemoratives. |
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I like to keep all my coins in the plastic pages for a binder. Are there any coin grading places that will send me back a slab that will fit in with the rest of my coins?
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MS65 Franklins tend to be a bit of a rare bird and I would peg this one at MS64. IMO, too many small marks for 65. It is definitely not a proof so cameo is irrelevant and the bell lines are defintely not full. Most Franklins(some of the early S mint coins being the exception) are not worthy of getting graded unless it has a solid chance at 65. You can purchase plastic binder sheets that are sized for most slabs but they will not fit in the 2x2 sheets.
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so who is the most recognized and trusted grading service?
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United States
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I stand corrected on this being Mint State rather than a Proof. I have to say it's a bolder strike than some of the proofs I own, but I am afraid the contact marks may keep it below MS65. PCGS is the most recognized, followed by NGC, followed by ANACS. This does not mean that PCGS is infallible or that ANACS or NGC aren't better services in some ways. But a coin in a PCGS slab will generally command the highest price in a given grade. You'll have to join PCGS or NGC in order to submit coins to them for grading.
Biokemist is correct that the value of this coin may not justify getting it slabbed.
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Rest in Peace
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Send it to the right TPG and it might be MS-70.  |
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Posted 07/11/2008 11:26 pm
