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Wallet Valued Member Sweden 449 Posts	Posted 09/17/2018 11:54 am Hi, Can anyone help me to indentify this coin. Looks like a German denar 11th-12th Century, but I couldn't find it. Or ciuld it be something else? Weigth 1.15 gram. Diamater 18.5 mm. Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34427 Posts	Posted 09/18/2018 4:02 pm Hmm I'm trying to find that building (lots of medieval French coins had buildings on them too). I'll let you know if I find anything, but don't hold your breath. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7956 Posts	Posted 09/18/2018 8:46 pm I had first thought the VS obverse might be from one of the many Henrys in Germany, but found something else that looks close. There are some denars of Koln during the time of Konrad II (1027-1039) which have a right facing bust obverse, and legend CHVONRADVS IMP with the letters VS around 7:00 like your coin. Reverse has a temple with a rounded gable, legend SANCTA COLONIA with SANCTA starting 1:00. Kunker Auction 130, page 168 ( I could not find an easy way to link to an image). Dannenberg 380. Havernick 232 and 236. I'm not sure this is an exact match, but it looks close. Edited by tdziemia 09/18/2018 9:24 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Wallet Valued Member Sweden 449 Posts	Posted 09/19/2018 01:42 am @tdziemia I see what you mean. But I don't think that the temple match this references. I have look through Dannenberg a couple of times by myself. But the drawings are challanging some times. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7956 Posts	Posted 09/19/2018 07:25 am Yes, I see what you mean. Still, I agree that the Germanic world is one good place to look for a type with bust obv / temple rev. Maybe spence will come up with something from France. Or how about Netherlands? Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34427 Posts	Posted 09/25/2018 04:42 am Quote: the VS obverse I'm still chewing a bit on this one. Are you sure that the letter V isn't actually a couple folds in the tunic or cloak of the main in the portrait? I was thinking that the inscription started with the letter C... "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
allranger Pillar of the Community United States 1391 Posts	Posted 09/25/2018 5:26 pm Quote: I'm still chewing a bit on this one. Are you sure that the letter V isn't actually a couple folds in the tunic or cloak of the main in the portrait? I was thinking that the inscription started with the letter C... That is the way I was looking at it too. For what it is worth (probably not even two zincolns). Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 09/25/2018 10:29 pm I think possibly Carolingian, in the manner of Louis The Pious, "H LVDOVICCVS" obverse bust types and perhaps an imitative issue with blundered legends. The reverse with the "temple" and fleuron or cross in the middle is very similar to the ΧΡISTIANA RELIGIO reverse as seen on Louis the Pious, Charles the Bald, etc. However, the OP's coin has one temple pillar on either side of the cross vs. the usual 2... Compare the reverse of this Louis denier from CGB: https://www.cgbfr.com/louis-ier-le-...63271,a.html Note how the "ELI" in "RELIGIO" is a bit crude and looks more like "III" even on this coin. Perhaps additional research in this direction might prove fruitful. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse 09/25/2018 10:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7956 Posts	Posted 09/25/2018 10:49 pm I agree. I suppose we could still have a coin issued under Conrad's name? Or...? Am having a very hard time finding coins with bust and temple issued in the Germanic world. Report this Post to the Staff
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