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Another 1943-P LWC. I Believe They Are Die Cracks But Lots Of Them!

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I see what looks like 3 diecracks.
The line running through the N in cents
looks incuse and would be a scratch.
Nice find though.
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@CO, yes several die cracks, although that linear feature across the letter N doesn't look like one to me. Perhaps a scratch or perhaps struck through?
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The one near the N I didn't think was a die crack. However, I saw it and figured I'd post it and see what it may be so I can learn.

I don't know if it makes a difference but these are supposed to be uncirculated coins... would scratches appear on these?
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Also, there's one I think on the top of the right wheat. I didn't get a closeup if it but I see it on the whole reverse pic
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I counted that crack on the right wheat stalk in the three I saw.
And yes uncirculated coins can have scratches.
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Sure, I would say that virtually all coins intended for circulation get some number of minor dings at the mint. If they didn't then they would all grade at MS-70.

A good example of this is on the letters O and E in ONE. Perhaps some other coins landed on this one in the hopper at the mint just after striking. Or, this damage could have occurred when the coins were jangling around getting bagged or rolled.
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Thank you Jimmy

Great explanation Spence. Appreciate it. Any premium on die crack coins?
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Nice Die Cracks!
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The steel cent planchets (like the bronze cent planchets but unlike today's copper plated zinc cent planchets) were annealed. This process softens the planchets for striking, reducing the wear on the dies. That said, steel planchets caused substantially more die wear than the softer bronze planchets.

Die cracks tell a story. They show the areas of relative weakness on the designs, especially where the cracks appear frequently in the same locations. They also show where the stresses toward the outside edge of the dies cause metal failure on the dies.

On the Wheat reverse Lincoln cents, die cracks (and eventually die breaks) between the rim and the wheat stalks are common. Your coin has two cracks from the rim to the right wheat stalk, one at 2:00 and the other at 4:00. The die cracks through PLURIBUS to ONE (at about 11:00) and through the stem of the left wheat stalk (at about 7:00) are a little less common. (Not rare, but less common.) What your coin shows is a reverse die with four cracks in widely different areas, all aiming toward the center. This was a die that was late in its serviceable life.

Is your coin collectible? Of course. It isn't especially rare or valuable, but it is collectible, it is a nice eye-appealing example, and it is something that you found and that tells you something about the process of making coins. That's what the hobby of coin collecting is all about: learning and enjoying. There is no official rulebook for collecting. If you enjoy the different die cracks and find them interesting, go for it! Trying to find nice die crack examples for all of the common date and high mintage 1934-1958 Lincoln Cents is a toughie.

Spend some time looking at the photos on cuds-on-coins.com. The photos of Retained Cuds, Cuds, and interior die breaks on the Lincoln cents will give you an idea of the range of Die Deterioration and die weaknesses found in the series. Hunting for those coins won't make you a millionaire, but also won't cost you a fortune. The hunt can be fun, and the resulting collection can be enjoyable.

Again, your coin is a really nice and eye-appealing example of multiple reverse die cracks.
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You may want to post a number of full coin shots of some of the coins from this uncirculated roll. There have been a number of pics that seem like the coins are reprocessed not uncirculated. It can be quite hard to tell sometimes from photos, so maybe a set of pics with different lighting and let some of the folks here have a look and post opinions on whether they are uncirculated or reprocessed. Means a lot of difference in value to know one way or the other.


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I see four different die cracks on the reverse. As mentioned, they don't add any value really, but I am interested in them because they are a true Mint error.

From the pics, I don't think this is a reprocessed coin.
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