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1959-D LMC ... Some Questions About It

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I have a few rolls of UNC 1959 D to go through but I found this one and have a few questions.

First few pics are what? Die Gouges? The one left of the memorial is decent size. And is it the same case on the "S" in pluribus?

Second, I feel like I see the thickness on the obverse but no separation. I've been comparing this particular one to the others and it definitely seems thicker.

Third, on a coin that's considered "uncirculated", when taking close ups of the letters or numbers, you see the gold all the way around the device... what is that? Reflection?

Fourth, the designer initials on these coins all seem strange. Is it because of the particular year?



Let me know what you think


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On the left bottom memorial, there's a big Die Chip and a small Die Chip on the "S" (AKA Broken Die Post). There's Machine Doubling and Die Deterioration Doubling on the FG is present as well. The gold color might be the reflection of your camera. There's no Doubled Die, just Machine Doubling. All of your questions have been answered.
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Die chip. Noted

There were multiple of the exact same coins in the roll... so I actually have 6 of these exact coins. Is this normal?
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I think what's happening, is you're starting to get a stage progression of those Die Chips (from the same die pair). I would keep pulling more out, and see if the Die Chips are getting bigger.
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Will do. Right now the 6 I pulled from this one roll seem to be darn near identical. I have 9 more rolls to go through, so I will update. Thank you
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You're very welcome and good luck!
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A die chip or break is a repeatable error. Every coin struck with that die will show the effect and its worsening progression until that die is removed from service.
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A die chip or break is a repeatable error

Wouldn't that make it a variety?
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Please take some time and practice your coin photo taking skills. They are out of focus. What is your pic taking set up? Maybe members can give you some tips.
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Also extreme die wear on the devices towards the rim area. Just a common coin. Save for copper if your into that.
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Hello, I still don't know why but I bought a roll of 1959 unc cents from ebay. In the roll there is 13 coins that have decent die cracks on Abe's head. Good luck on your "59" cents
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A die chip or break is a repeatable error


Wouldn't that make it a variety?


You could say that. Some of them, like BIEs, are catalogued as varieties as well as types of die cracks like Spike Heads.

I consider these errors because they are die failures caused by the striking process or an error in structural stability of the die metal itself from the beginning. While they are identically repeatable to an extent, they generally progress into larger breaks the more the die is used, so the "error" is unlike a design variety (say, Small vs. Large date) or a hubbing error (creating doubled dies) in that the latter examples remain the same until the die is retired. (Note: Die Deterioration affects all dies)

That's probably not a good explanation, but I do feel a line must be drawn somewhere. Even completely random errors can be repeatable to a degree. If something sticks to the die, then multiple coins it strikes will show the exact same, or very similar, effect until the problem corrects itself or the whole thing is shut down. A collar deployment problem could also cause several consecutively struck coins to have near identical errors.
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That's a great explanation IMO.
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