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As far as I know, the first Specimen Silver Dollar was issued in 1967.
That is more than likely a 1962 PL.
Also that is not the Canadian Coat of Arms on the clamshell.
Probably an aftermarket case.
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Those cases are known to contain specimen dollars although the origins of them are not known..you ususally see 1964-1966 dollars in them I beleive although one member has mentioned them having 1953 specimens in them before. The cases themselves seem fairly scarce.
Years of specimen silver dollar striking of QEII:
-1953 NSF
-1953 SF which is debated it seems
-1963 according to ICCS however I have never seen one and judging by the 1963 special strikes given to Pittman I doubt an actual specimen quality example was produced
-1964
-1965
-1966
-1967
Feel free to call me Will.
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11/01/2018 12:00 pm
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Your right Will, should have checked my Catalogue instead of going by memory.
According to "Coins of Canada"here were Specimen Silver Dollars issued
1953(SF & NSF), 1964 & 1965
Also did you not have a Silver Dollar in one of those cases also,
It seems to me I remember an earlier thread where you were
inquiring about it.
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11/01/2018 12:18 pm
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@JimmyD yes I did have one..the coin was specimen quality but whoever owned it previously had cleaned it lightly. I have heard a couple accounts about the cases saying they were for specimen dollars but they largely seem to be somewhat of a mystery.
Feel free to call me Will.
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I'll post some pics when it arrives :-). Given the source, I have high hopes for the coin, in some followup emails he said it had the squared edges and railway like rims.
If all goes well, it will be my first pre 1967 specimen.
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Not a chance it's a specimen.
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@purelywasted
I'd be interested to know if the case is legit...
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The case: I'm curious as well, I have not even seen a similar photo of this case anywhere yet... It is almost same design as the top cover of the 1967 red specimen box set (escutcheon + crown). The escutcheon is of similar shape to the one on the 1970 maroon case, though the St. George's crown is a bit larger. Not sure why they would not use the full coat of arms, but maybe this was part of the evolution of the specimen cases. I have a 1968 Specimen dollar case (60th anniversary).   Some people thought it was either common or not from RCM. I could only find 2-3 pictures on the internet, thankfully SPP provided some pictures of them in the Currency Museum's collection, good timing on his recent visit. Sadly theirs, as well as mine were PL coins (seller indicated this when I bought it, so was not too surprised), Charelton described the case as meant for Specimen coins. Considering the seller of this coin and his history with Canadian coins, I thought it was worth it, at least it has a good provenance and a good story. It is tough waiting for something like this to arrive, but kind of exciting. The hunt for knowledge continues. Edited by purelywasted
11/08/2018 02:10 am
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Here are some quick images and thoughts. Very, very nice in hand. The toning hides a very nice field, with an almost glass like appearance. The coins color is slightly darker than the images below and it looks like there is something a little sticky on the obv (hot distilled water soak?). The CaseThe case is well constructed, but does not have any RCM Markings on it. Does anyone else have images of these cases? I might be using the wrong search terms, but have not found another picture of one. The CoinI have been looking for specific specimen identifiers, but have not seen a comprehensive list anywhere, yet. Having read many of the threads, it seems that the general criteria is: - Squared Rims - Fully Struck - Sharper edges on all designs - No rounding on letters and numbers - Fully formed denticles - Are there others I can add? Not sure if reeding is an indicator or not, but the reeding is clean and well formed (better than my 1973 specimen and 1962 Pl & MS). I don't really have any experience with specimens, but am enjoying learning about them. This coin has what I think are these characteristics, the rims are very even and squared. Though I do have some MS Silver Dollars from the 50's that have very nice rims as well, but hard to get a definitive feel/look through ICCS slips. Letters are flatter and sharper than my 1962 PL comparison dollar, but this is hard to see in the images and the toning might be throwing that off. However it ends, it is a very nice coin from a very famous collector. Not sure if I can establish written provenance with a TPG, if I ever send it for grading, but very happy with it. Your thoughts and comments are appreciated.      |
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None of those questions can be answered without the coin in hand. What part of the country are you in? There are a handful of dealers I know - that can identify the specimen strikes. I'll email this thread to one who definitely knows...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Thanks SPP, I am in Vancouver area.
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I sent the link to this thread to Sandy Campbell, in my opinion, he would be THE person in the know with respect to early Canadian specimen strikes. He said this about your coin: Quote:
There are no SP strikes for 1953 SF, 1962 or 1963.100%. Those cases issued in 1965. Also, that coin shows the roughness on the neck and shoulder. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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This is what an early Elizabeth specimen silver dollar should look like...  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Quote:
There are no SP strikes for 1953 SF, 1962 or 1963.100%. Those cases issued in 1965. Also, that coin shows the roughness on the neck and shoulder. Thanks SPP, greatly appreciated you taking the time to look into this and go beyond with another contact. Case: Great to know the date on those Roughness: The roughness is actually some kind of raised sticky residue (almost looks like sugary water) and it has some small fibers on it. I was thinking of letting it soak in some hot distilled water to see if it will dissolve away. The rough patches are on the neck, jaw, field in front of throat, above the ribbon and looks like a few other random spots. Definitely raised little clumps of something. I am assuming distilled water is a safe starting place. Thanks for the image of the 1964, I have seen a few from Ultra Cameo to no Cameo (PR 68 PCGS), but don't think I saw the one that is that nice (that looks nicer than the PR68, or at least the picture does). https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/my...1264211/6914 |
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An interesting thread for sure  I suspected the coin was just a PL..there are some seriously nice strikes on PL dollars in 1961, 1962 and 1963..although they are harder to find with great strikes. The pedigree is still neat but I wonder if it is actually a Belzberg coin as I could not find it in the 2003 auction of their collection. Feel free to call me Will.
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