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Valued Member
Canada
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Hi Guys Is there anyone who is familiar and have experience with Umayyad coins? I have 3 coins which I like to know if they are authentic or fake. I appreciate your opinion so much.    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why do you think they might be fake? With respect, you seem to find potential fakes everywhere you look. My advice is to spend at least as much on your library as you are spending on coins. Numismatic books may seem expensive but at the end of the day they will pay for themselves.
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11/01/2018 10:22 pm
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Valued Member
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Thanks Kushanshah for help. What made me wonder is surface and encrustations I wonder if coin is cleaned it cant have patches of patina/dirt and if it is uncleaned then it should be homogeneous all over the coin not only on parts of surface.
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KS, couldn't have said it any better.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@AlRashid Cleaning is a process. Most coins end up somewhere between 'fully cleaned' and 'fully encrusted'. When I see coins like these, I assume that someone stopped the cleaning process where they did for a reason. Either there would not be enough value to justify the time involved or that further cleaning might pose a risk of damage. They look fine to me in a scruffy sort of way. "Genuine", that is.
At first glance Marw AH 98, Mahi AH 96 and Balkh AH 115.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Assuming that in an imperfect world a coin is likely to be either undercleaned or overcleaned
It is not hard to choose between the options
Under cleaning shows restraint
Over cleaning shows lack thereof !
When conserving coins always try to work with a philosophy of .......
"maņana"
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Valued Member
Canada
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Thanks so much guys for helps on these. Just a question for me to learn. when I see a coin with patina or dirt how to distinguish if patina is natural or chemically made. a dealer recently told me some forgers can artificially make coin dark and look old so I just like to learn how to distinguish original patina. for example on the coins I posted here what is the indication that patina is natural because of underground conditions?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Forgers can be very good at faking patina
It's all part of the "job description"
And they get better and better at it all the time
There is no definitive way to identify fakery and of course you need to define too.
Is planting an overcleaned genuine coin in a flower pot out on the patio and leaving it for a few years fakery ?
Personally I don't think so
But tooling away actual metal and resurfacing the entire coin would be !
Or the now infamous baked on desert patina pieces we see that come in "6" distinctive shades for your home decorating needs
Forgers will often distress modern fakes too
To hide the word C O P Y or otherwise make it seem like the real deal that simply got run over by 3 Roman legions on their way to Mesopotamia.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Hi FVRIVS
I agree they get better at it so that is why I post coins here so experts who have seen fake and real patina 1000 times more than me can give me a help. For me its close to impossible to detect what is fake and what is real
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Be advised
Even the best "experts" get fooled on occasion
As soon as there was an antiquities market starting in the late Renaissance there were people willing to produce what could not be obtained by conventional means.
Egypt was famous in the early 19th century for producing "goods" for the European market.
Then as now the intrepid dealers had sources in the rural areas where people skilled in metal working produced
fine work.
Today technology has moved some of the production to more sophisticated manufactories.
And laser cut dies can turn out exquisite work
Long and short fakes are unavoidable
It's like walking barefoot in fields of clover
Very pleasant
But eventually even the most careful person will step on a bee
It simply can't be avoided
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