| Author |
 Replies: 23 / Views: 2,407 |
|
Valued Member
United States
142 Posts |
After running into a couple if 1944 pennies with a strange curve on the last 4 , I realized that the reason only a few 1943 copper pennies have been found is that they were actually turned into 1944 pennies. In 1944 the mints were still short on copper blanks and I beleive they started using old copper pennies to make new ones. Old pennies are already the same weight and dimension, all they had to do was flatten them with the press and restamp new coins. The mint separated the steel pennies with magnets and no one cared to look for the 1943 copper among the recycled ones. Here is a couple of pics to reinforced my theory. Is my theory crazy or possible?      |
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2563 Posts |
I think the theory is based in fiction, but is plausible, just like the 1943/2 Jefferson nickel. However, the 1943 copper coins were made from left over planchets from the prior year, and would have been recycled if caught. They would not just scrub out the 3 on the die and put a 4, that hasn't been done since the early 1900s with RPDs. Way to be curious, however! |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2376 Posts |
Oh my !
You have made quite a few assumptions. All the way from how planchets are made and sized to how they end up in their positions between the dies .
Your theory does not explain the anomalies you have seen
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
Canada
21635 Posts |
Not quite sure of what you are getting at with the pictures of the date,
but to shoot your theory down, first of all the reason there are so few 43 copper cents is that they were made by mistake.
Apparently some were left over in a hopper when they minted the 44 steel cents, not because they were recycled.
Also the Mint when recycling coins does not flatten them and restrike them, they are melted and used to make new blanks.
Good theory though, just not true.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
7234 Posts |
Check the reverse of the 1944 for a DDR - I think the shape af the 4's is one of the die markers for the DDR-004. Maybe show us a picture of the reverse? Edited by Mark1959
11/04/2018 5:13 pm
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 United States
2843 Posts |
As mentioned - there is no way that the coins would line up in that the date would be directly on top of the existing date.
For those who don't understand overdates, they are created by the date being recut/stamped into the DIE, never the COIN.
|
|
Valued Member
 United States
142 Posts |
Left to right 1944 1944 s   |
|
Valued Member
United States
142 Posts |
According to what I read , the mint only melts damage and foreign coins to meet weight and size standards, in my theory the coins used were 1942 that already met size and weight standards all they had to do is flatten images and restamp.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
7234 Posts |
No - false alarm. Not a DDR. |
|
Valued Member
United States
142 Posts |
If over dates can be created by cutting the date and restamping why not in the 1943
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
74811 Posts |
Very interesting thread! It was a good theory, even though it's not true.
Errers and Varietys.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2843 Posts |
Quote:
If over dates can be created by cutting the date and restamping why not in the 1943 Let me try and clear things up. You are suggesting that the coins you are examining were originally minted as 1943 copper cents. Then when it became 1944 the mint chose to remint them as 1944 cents. You are using that theory to explain the anomaly you find where the 2nd 4 seems to have a curve on its right side. You are positing that the curve is a remnant of the 3 that was there. We are explaining several reasons that the theory is not true and not possible. I added that the existence of overdates is not a proof to the plausibility of your theory since those are not the result of the mint reminting a coin that was previously minted with a different date, it is a result of the mint retooling a die that was previously used for a different date. |
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
|
|
Valued Member
United States
142 Posts |
So my theory of using 1942-3 pennies to make 1944 is wrong,
It's more plausible that they used a 1943 die and retooled to make 1944 pennies or my theory just plain wrong and not plausible at all.?
|
|
Valued Member
United States
142 Posts |
These are not the only pennies with the curve on the 2nd 4 I have seen
Look at websites that sell 1944 pennies and you will find more upon examining pictures closely.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
7234 Posts |
Ok, so lets say they did that - what's the big deal? They are still just common 1944 Wheat cents in the end.
|
| |
Replies: 23 / Views: 2,407 |
Posted 11/04/2018 4:38 pm
