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1846 Liberty Seated Dollar Variety Oc-1 Rarity1 (2,300 Estimated Survivors)

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Picked this up tonight for $410. Thoughts on grade and problems? Thanks!

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It looks pretty good, but the rims are unusually broad and uneven, particularly on the reverse -- makes me think that it may be a fake. Denticles look sort of strange also. I probably would have avoided it for that reason.
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Looks legit to me. I think what you're referring to is a cropping issue. xf-40 here and probably will look better than it does in these pictures. I don't believe it will have the cleaned-blue look inhand. Are these sellers pics?
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I'm at XF40 as well, looks nice and original!
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Looks like a nice coin .... even though the pictures look yucky!
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Yes, these are seller's pics. He took them at an angle and these get distorted when I square them up and crop out the background. See if these are better. Thanks!

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I was able to attribute this 1846 Liberty Seated dollar. This year had 2 business strike and 2 proof varieties.

According to the Osburn-Cushing reference, this coin is variety OC-1.
http://www.seateddollarvarieties.com/1846.shtml

This variety is rated Rarity-1 (R-1) with 2,300 estimated surviving examples.

The OC-1 had the Obverse die 1 and Reverse die A pairing or 1-A for short.

Both business strike die pairings shared Obverse 1 but only the OC-1 pairing had Reverse die A.

Reverse die A had a unique die crack that left an impression illustrated below in the Osburn-Cushing reference:

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The crack starts from a denticle above the letter D in UNITED and runs above STATES in the reverse near the rim. Here is the same die crack on this coin:

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I was able to attribute this 1846 Liberty Seated dollar.


Very cool! I suck at identifying varieties.

Please post pics of it when you have it inhand. I suspect you won't find the blue-look inhand. I think it will look totally original with better pics.
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EF-40, nice one
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I'll go EF-45, very nice example.
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No one is mentioning the big gouge on the arm and hits to the right obverse fields and rim nick. That was a major hit to cause that big of a gouge. I think it was probably cleaned and now retoning.
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I noticed the hits, but they don't look like scratches and they don't seem large enough to impair the coin. Hits are important to determine MS grades, but they are largely ignored in circulated grades unless the coin is deemed damaged from it. I wish it wasn't there but I can live with it.

I have looked at a thousands of raw and TPG seated cartwheels and this one is definitely in the top 5% in terms of eye appeal. There are some really ugly LSDs out there in the market right now in this grade range. Tough to get nice looking ones for a reasonable price.
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I'd be in at a net 40, reverse is a bit sharper, maybe a 45
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Hits are important to determine MS grades, but they are largely ignored in circulated grades unless the coin is deemed damaged from it.


Who says hits are largely ignored in circulated grades? . I collect circulated Seated and earlier Type Coins and never ignore hits and dings. Neither does CAC.
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