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1983 LMC Obverse Date Die Chip?

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Found this 1983 LMC with what appears to be bits of copper fused between 9 & 8. Is this due to a die chip or crack?


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Looks like something has been glued on.
You can see how the glue is covering the stem of the 9.
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First,

Nice find! There is a known interior die break on 1983 cents. It is listed as IDB-1c-1983-04 on cuds-on-coins.com. The break closest to the "8" on your coin has a slightly different shape, and appears to have a slightly different point of connection to the "8." The other breaks on your coin look like a continuation of the initial break.

Wait for some of the others to weigh in on this, but I think you either have a later die state of the known IDB or you may have a new IDB for the date. Either way, it's a keeper.
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If you see any gray around the edges, it might be split plating that is rising. If there is no gray. it may have been struck through a piece of copper foil? If it is flexible it might be glue.
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@coop, take a look at the enhanced photo I just uploaded. Your analysis makes me pause on my first assessment.

It's possible that two different things could be going on here. The bump attached to the 8 is extremely similar to the known IDB. The second higher bump has a similar appearance. That said, there is gray visible at the base of both lumps. The more circular device that runs through the 9 and 8 appears to be something different, and could well be a plating bubble. I'd love to see a lower angle shot of this.

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with fort collins. Looks like an interior die break, possibly retained.
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The best way to tell is to look under the plating to see if you see copper or zinc.
Copper = Struck through
Zinc = split plating.

I wonder if the loose plating is already curling?
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Thanks for the comments! I'll try to take some better closeups and possible a pic on an angle.
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I use something like this to make the light hit the coin and direct the image into the scope:
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Coop - I use something like this to make the light hit the coin and direct the image into the scope:


Looks like a form of Axial Lighting through the lens as described in this video by a professor in Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgb...sAssociation
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