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China 10 Cash Unlisted Mule?

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 Posted 11/22/2018  2:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add living-in-the-past to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like this groups opinion on the coin below. I believe it might be a China 1906 10 Cash mule obverse Honan Y 10g and reverse (dragon side) Kiangsu-Kiangsoo Y 162. I can not find one that is similar in Krause, but maybe it is one that doesn't not have a picture. Hoping there may be some specialists of this series out there that can set me straight. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

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 Posted 11/22/2018  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake?

It looks like a poorly struck forgery to me.
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 Posted 11/22/2018  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sticking my neck out to say that the strike looks genuine to me, I'd buy it for a dollar.
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 Posted 11/23/2018  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add living-in-the-past to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, so far it could be a fake or it could be worth a dollar. Any China 10 Cash specialists out there?
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My opinion based on the appearance of the strike is fake.

Looks to me like impact transfer dies were used. Impact transfer has always had pressure problems across the face of the die. Either the center is overstruck or the edge weak. Getting a uniform impression across the entire die face is very difficult. Most counterfeiters ended up engraving either the perimeter or central details which often give the method away. Here the central details are very heavy with some sliding of the details while the edge details are nearly missing. Combine that with the fact that the coin mules two provinces (about 200 miles apart) and I am beyond suspicious that a fake of some type is in play.

Genuine die strikes almost never replicate exactly the look of an impact transfer. The die strike transfers load more uniformly across the planchet. So most details will be either well struck up or weak. You will need an expert to know for sure, but I suspect that most originals of the period were struck on fairly modern steam powered presses.

Impact transfer techniques date back to the 1850s or 1860s and they result in the destruction of the host coin used to create the impact. So this method was usually used to copy low value coins as opposed to rarities. I suspect it is likely a contemporary counterfeit.
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 Posted 11/23/2018  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not genuine - mint sport counterfeit.
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 Posted 11/24/2018  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add living-in-the-past to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Swamperbob for the great information. I always learn many things through your responses. Gxseries, I am not familiar with the term "mint sport" counterfeit, could you explain further what that term means. Thanks again to all.
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The term "mint sport" was first coined by Eduard Kann in the early 1950s ish. This is used to describe mints that used original dies to make fantasy mules. That said, this is definitely not one of them.
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