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2017 D Quarter - ATB : REV Has Something Going On?

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 Posted 11/29/2018  01:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Eyes4Error to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all...

Was inspired to look at some modern quarters with the help of Coops awesome post "Where to look for doubled dies on the ATB Quarters"... although I know I wasn't supposed to be paying so much attention to the incuse lettering on the outside...hence is where I found something strange.

I am not so experienced at seeing doubling on incuse. I have been fooled before... But this looks different than my former mistaken doubling... need help please!

Please take a look see... if needed I will post more pics.

Thanks!

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 Posted 11/29/2018  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly a doubling on bottom of the top rifle barrel?

Yes and I see the chip at the end of rifle barrel... ;)

Mostly what I see is on "ERS" on Rodgers... maybe the incuse lettering is thinner?

I am thinking I am tired tonight and eyes are playing tricks...
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 Posted 11/29/2018  03:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyes4Error to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Late night trying to find out more info...

Think I found my own answer... this would be just MD...?

Since the ATB Quarters are all made using the single squeeze method... doubling will be at the center of the coin, hence Coops post... Still reading and trying to digest it all!
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Yep, just MD. You're figuring it out.

There are no known DDRs that have the outer lettering doubled. Also, since the outer lettering is incuse, a doubled die would make those letters thinner like E PLURIBUS UNUM on the major shield cent DDRs.
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 Posted 11/29/2018  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are right. It's Machine Doubling.
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Machine Doubling...the devices are increased in size on incused devices, so not a DD.
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As many as 70% of these quarters have minor MD ro major. But none are doubled dies. Just the central areas of the quarters are doubled dies on the reverses. Some incuse devices on cents has show a doubled die. But the opposite happens. The devices on incuse devices get even smaller:
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While on the raised devices on the same coin shows enlarged devices:
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Thanks for the replies... and the IMG Coop! Was trying to figure out what incuse doubling would look like!

Found it interesting reading about the single squeeze die... and how doubling is mostly happening on center of quarters reverse. Interesting that the single squeeze effects the cents toward the rim...

Anyways... I also noted the die chip out the end of the rifle barrel is part of the design ;)

But I did also have a question on my 2nd image of the rifles... where the two barrels meet. On the bottom of the top rifle, below the wrist, I think I am seeing doubling... is that just MD as well?

THANKS AGAIN!
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 Posted 11/29/2018  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Either MD or damage. Note how the metal is rising upwards. That tells me the metal was moved from that area. (Like snowplowed snow)
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Gotcha... Thanks Coop. I did notice a bit of that rise in metal going on there :)

I really appreciate your help and patience in answering my questions...

I'll get there one day
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When you do, then you start thinking? How could this happen during the mint process, or how can this not be a mint process. But you'll get there. It takes times. Sometimes later I will come up with a new solution. (sometimes I get woke up at night with one)
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